a conversation ihad DEFEND GENSISI AND thAT SIN AND REBELLIONI S CAUSE OF HuMAN SUFFerING . Deacon Verter
@dsf111 000 Sorry dude. Rhonda is right and you...you drank the kool-aid. We came out of Africa, not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says. Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. In fact, identifying Adam as an actual person is unbiblical. The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil. Goodbye Original Sin!
But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) tells Eve that if they eat the fruit, they won't die. They ate. But did they die? Nope! They lived for centuries thereafter! So plainly God lied and the Serpent told the truth, right? Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible.
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Sorry dude. Rhonda is right and you...you drank the kool-aid. We came out of Africa, not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says. Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence.
YOU SSAID . ' Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city'
my response .
dinosaur were said to have died out 65 million years ago according to the scientists the issue with that is dinosaurs with flesh intact very recently if it was 65 million years as you claim that sinply would not be there is no way it could last 65 million years . so there is evidence to contrary of these garbage dating method people have come up with .
YOU SAID 'our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. ' also 'not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says '
I think a banana transitional form before apples then a fig tree then we became humans .
here is the problem with evolution at one point or another you have to have a transitional from non life to life the law of biogensis is stumbling block which brings down the whole of cards which evoution which is known as spontaneous generation which was debunked over 100 years ago unbelievable and they still push it .
That's a Fact Louis Pasteur
secondly evoutiion is compliation of mutartion over time and the build up of a creature but if you cannot go from non life to life it does not matter if there is millions of years secondly modern evotutionist are actually saying the dna is degenrating at a rapid pace . So what is dna ? It is biological genetic code sequence of atom and molecules called a gene that produce a function ( like grow make red blood cells componant make this catalyst that speeds up the reaction etc ) it all interconnected and works it is like computer and very tempermental damage though be small profound effect because it is all connected together .
CAN HUMAN EXSTINCTION BE STOPPED .
Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; andcalled his name Seth:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons anddaughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
So the evolutionist says the human dna is decaying which correlates with the genesis account of this until it reached 120 years with Abraham secondly if you have lots of kids and live 1000 years and because there dna is less damaged due to mutation and were smarter and stronger you could build cities also if you dna is perfect with flaws seth did fuck his sister and their fucked each other because the dna is not like it today with medicine glasses hip replacements etc we would not live more then 30 40 years .. lastly ever seen a living dinosaure oh but they exsists but they cannot have because you never have seen one . That is annoyance when the bring it up it was in diffrence circumstance and time so of couarse we find strange . But just like dinosaurs exsited but never seen a living one does not mean they did not exists .
Okay os have dealt with 65 million years ,genetic decay , biogensis . So that debunks your old earth theories with actual evidence .
YOU SAID The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil
In fact, identifying Adam as an actual person is unbiblical. The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil.
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17 But of the tree of theknowledge ofgood andevil, thou shalt not eat of it:for in the day that thoueatest thereof thou shaltsurely die.
I checked the hebrew and it said soil and breath of life .
LORD GOD created a living soul with breath life and dust sprite and phyiscal matter make soul we phyiscal and spritual . He did not come to life until the breath life was in him nor do any of animals which are also living souls . you insinuation of LORD GOD use of evoution which would use million of death and suffering is faulty . LORD GOD spoke the word and existed then breathed in them he pour breath of life with out the breath of life nothing would live except plants which are physical matter another example is the moon is that alive ? . anyway animals and humans require the breath of life million of years will not bring them life only the breath of life did so he created bodies then breathed life into them .
But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) tells Eve that if they eat the fruit, they won't die. They ate. But did they die? Nope! They lived for centuries thereafter! So plainly God lied and the Serpent told the truth, right?
you said But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die."
LORD GOD said if they ate fruit they will die as result the reason is very simple the relationship between man and GOD it like man and woman or parent and child GOD loves us ( authority and responsibility ) and be obey him ( hear and do his commands ) if reject GOD authority neither will he be responsible for you for authority with responsibility is operation of creation and responsibility with authority is the oppression of GOD but as GOD is incorruptible being he cannot remain in relationship which is toxic from mutualk interestion to self interest so LORD GOD was spererated from as result the as result of broken relationship between man and GOD .LORD GOD sustains all things and what is sperated from him dies like plant uprooted and wither in the sun . So that is what kills him not the fruit the broken relationship .we will weither and die .as written in IsiAH AND EZEKIAL and in revelation the dragon the serpant of old satan came down then in the form of satan then the very lie of equality between creation and creator he tempted eve with to rebel againts adam and GOD and she got adam to rebel againts GOD by not rejecting eve as LORD GOD seperated away from humanity . this is cause of fall of humanity .
1000 years is nothing compared to 100 trillion years or eternity if you take step back and look at wider picture
YOU SAID .
The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story)
that is not true
Isaiah 14:12 in all English translations
Ezekiel 28:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
“By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.
New King James Version (NKJV)
Ezekiel 28:16 in all English translations
Revelation 12:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible."
EDITED BETTER GRAMMER . PART 3 OF 3 HERE i will clean up the grammar . YOU SAID Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible."
created being such humans, animals ,angels are created being they cannot exists outside of relationship with GOD or they will die . as like the relationship between GOD and creation is described as between a man and woman or parent and child .
How the relationship between the parent and child or man and woman work.
woman are to submit to the authority (obey to hear and do his commands ) of there husband and men love ( authoirty and resonsiblity over her ) your wife for cooperation between men and woman occurs when they respect each others role a man has authority and resposnbility for te woman the woman obeys her husbands commands she does as she is told .anyway this cooperation and both mutally benfit from this but when you try to make woman and men equal in which both are fundementally unqeual it turns to oppressers oppressed realationship a realtionship of competition from serving each other to serving yourself and either the man or the woman will be oppressed .if the man has resposniblity and not authority she is oppressing him and him oppresd if he authority but no responsbilityty he is oppresing her . that is why equality between men and woman is satanic because it is toxic producing a realationship from cooperation to comepetion and one lives richly while the other suffers but both are miserable . that is why LORD GOD serperated himself from us at the garden because if he remained he would remanin in a toxic relationship and he rremoved himself for he will not be oppressed or opress so we were seprated and because LORD GOD is incorruptable he cannot remain for he cannot go againts his nature and allow himself eithet to be a opressorr or oppressed hencforth seperation and as he gave life so he shall take it away as you have rejected him so he will in turn reject you .
in the garden GOD created woman for the man she is made to have relationship with him and if she defies her purpose (or role in the relationship ) it breaks the relationship and separation will occur so from nothingness she comes from nothing she and she returns to nothing that is what should have happened in the garden Adam to reject eve and she would have been destroyed and him saved as she rebelled . For she is to obey Adam as unto the LORD GOD but she rebelled against GOD and Adam and this she broke her relationship with GOD . For creations obeys ( hear and does his commands ) GOD and GOD loves ( authority and responsibility )his creation .
Satan lie is a lie of equality . Lucifer doctrine at a heart of it is of equality between God and creation their natures are the same
he rejected the knowledge of GOD and acted based on his emotion not truth he went against the feminine nature ( dependent ( not self sufficient ) , limited knowledge , limited power etc ) of creation which absence of positive attributes of the creator masculine nature ( life in himself (self sufficient , omniscient , omnipresence , omnipotent etc ) GOD , .
when you rebel what GOD has ordained you have rejected GOD authority and neither will he responsible and separation occurs and as he was sustaining us we fall in to desoulation and die .
Then once separated the angels of heaven had a choice and 2/3 were loyal to GOD but 1/3 came down to the earth then as we bear GOD image we also were given a choice .Lucifer sold the same lie to eve as brought about his own downfall his own failure . So she rebelled against Adam and GOD then instead of rejecting eve and casting her away he joined in the rebellion rebelling against GOD by staying in the toxic relationship were a man does not have authority he is oppressed but man who does bear resposnbility ( protect and provide) he is oppressing the woman so in trying to create equality you create oppressor oppressed dynamic where one is rich and other poor and that is broken relationship remained in and that is the sin of adam then when humans rejected GOD he rejected us in turn and it created seperation . To understand why we created being are oppressed and oppressors .
WHY WE HUMANS ARE OPPRESSED , OPPRESSOrS AND OUR SEPERATION FROM GOD ..
I had to address this issue before . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kt7xbqxiI
LEAVE THE CHURCH ALONE ALL YOU PEOPLE PROBLEMS ARE SELF INFLICTED YOU ANTI GOD PIECE OF SHIT AND YOUR GREED FOR MATERIALISM INSTEAD OF PUTTING GOD FRIST before yourself and love others as yourself has Christ said was greatest commandment love for GOD and other . the whole world instead they put themselves before GOD and other YOU WANT TO EXTRACT AS PLEASURE of this life as possible with no regard for others or GOD self by burning you bridges with GOD they reject reconciliation with GOD and putting yourself at enmity with other AND THEN YOU GET OUT COMPETET by some one with teeth of iron and are being squeezed while they live rich and you made poor then and instead of blaming humanity rebellion in garden and it embracing rebellion .
For the problem is not the system or resources
here read this
Genesis 41:33-57 King James Version (KJV)
Genesis 47:8-31 King James Version (KJV)
1 Samuel 22:5-9 King James Version (KJV)
1 Samuel 8:4-22 King James Version (KJV)
read what JESUS said about how elites are supposed to do.
Luke 22:22-29 King James Version (KJV)
22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
THE ELITES ARE MEANT SERVE US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND .
the broken relationship between man and GOD is the problem . When we rebelled we inverted the law of GOD obedience to GOD and equality between men this became inverted were we obdient to GOD seperation occurred and he stopped sustaining us and were equality between men became inequality . We live in dyig world because it is seperated us from GOD and we are oppressing and being oppressed where their was equality now we have rich and poor . For they say theor is no GOD embrace rebellion and to extract as much pleasure of this life as possible they commit evil; then they say why is there so much evil and say there is no GOD and the embrace rebellion and commit evil then blame GOD . So they want GOD to have responsibility and no authority they make decision to rebel against GOD and blame GOD for the consequences of their chiocs . So this childish and immature mindset of saying there is no GOD the put themselves before GOD and others and to extract as much pleasure as possible they commit war violence exploitation and when another person who also claims there is no GOD and is tring to extract as much pleasure out of this life and they find themselves being squeezed or crushed
THEN they CRY THE VICTIM when other who also claim there is no GOD and want ot extract and this other person has placed them in dire straits by others who are competing harder .
2000 years ago Christ the one to reconcile mankind to GOD and for fill the promise of the garden of eden . He also problem humanity is corrupt and that is cause of all of humanity problems. he showed the solution to the problem to go back as we were before the fall to love he LORD GOD with all the hearth mind soul and strength and love others as ourselves . we need to acknowledge our failure in the garden and our own personal failures and be reconciled to GOD and love GOD with all heart soul strength and mind and love others as ourselves and give up this life and what we could have now and pursue a relationship with GOD and live on to eternity with GOD in the garden of Eden.. .
that is the soution because those who have faith in GOD and his promises are infinitly more valuable then immediate gain of this world but world does not bleive and wish to rage a lion and then cry victim and blame GOD when they find themsevs being squeezed .
We have more resources then ever but greater wealth inequality in history , system is not the problem we have tried democracy theocracy , monarchy ,republic . Nothing solves because they are not the root cause the broken relationship between man and GOD is . So God was sustaining us we now dying where there was equality cooperation mutual interest now become oppressers oppressed realtionships .our sin in the garden and own personal failures are the problem there is something wrong with humanity .
the one sent to reconcile humanityand what did people do to him they murdered him and rose the third day so humanity rejected Christ therefore GOD and does not wish for reconciliation but to rage as like it was before the flood . GOD solution is mercy to those who wish for reconciliation and those who wish to rage destroy and die . The rightouss to life and wicked to death .
END OF MY PREVIOUS CONVERSATION .
as I was saying the only one with true immortality is GOD and only him . creation has conditional immortality as long as its relationship with GOD they shall live on to eternity seperation means death so as long s the human heart is not risen up againts God but it humble and is in obdience in GOD we are fine but when we try to create oppressors .
Lastly the bible is the divine inspired word it written by LORD GOD placing the holy sprite on them and the utter the words he wished and write what he wishs that is what makes a prohpet a prophet the holy sprite and other times he uses them to make prohecy a warrior interpret of dream or whatever GOD needs .
Anyway Moses wrote the frist 5 books of the bible . the Torah he was written 400 years after abraham and he wrote about sodom and gommrah being judged by GOD here it is below they found it in israel . SODOM AND GOMMMRAH ancient ruins youtu.be/wlojzxgoLyI?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv they found these ruins in geograpaical location I
they found the ruin made of white ashy composite material . it was 99 % pure sulpur white sulphur which does not natural occurs after that calcium carbonate ( lime stone ) reacts with sulfur to make calcium sulphate . they found graves with mass quanities of bones 500000 estmiateed people buried there proving they were very populated cities . in the grave they found a large vareity of nuts , seeds and vegatables as the bible said it was like the garden of the LORD before GOD's judgement ..
The ruins are compared to a volcano eruption which erupted on pompeii in italy and the somdom and gommorah are very difrent every where ash fall at pompeii on people formed molded around them the ash at the ruins in israel there is not ash molded around people , we have ancient israel archlogy of frist temple period and the second .to those who doubt anceint israel exsitence here is playlist of ancietn israel aracology youtu.be/Su5Hoo9W_Vk?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv
THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH . ..
i will ask you three question . why does 1948 AD Israel exists (a nation dead for 2000 years for the Jews have recovered the land and revived the ancient script and language Hebrew ) ? . secondly why is it that this nation that has been dead for 2000 years is allied with the two ( US AND EU ) greatest military and economic powers to ever exist and who are allied together dominate the world and support 1948 AD Israel ? . lastly has this ever happened before a nation dead for 2000 years allied with two greatest power ever who are allied together dominate the world and supports a nation that has been dead for nar 2000 years ?
THIS IS THE GENERATION CHRIST SPOKE iT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF AS WRRITEN IN MATTEW 23 where god JUDGES ISRAEL BEFORE CHRISTs sECONd COMiNG READ SCRITPUTE 1 kings 19 13 - 14matt 27 22-27 luke 13 33- 35 acts 7 49-60 1 jeremiah 2 verse 29 30 1 Thessalonian 2 13-16 john 11 47 to 53 Matt 23 27-38 Revelation 17 1-6 rev 18 verse 20 and 24 rev 19 1-2 rev 19 11 and 21 and rev 20
read the thesis is historical time from ancient Babylon 605 BC to now correlating with Biblical prophecy of Daniel 605 BC Babylon to 476 AD the division of the western roman empire and rise of the Vatican the rev 6 frist seal 1492 to 1918 western conloanisl second seal 1918 to 1991 COMMUNISM . the rise of dived roman empire the USA AND EU who supports the great babylon israel who killed the prohpets and is the location of armgeddon which is in israel where the USA AND EU in the battle of armgeddon will fight the christ . last i want to save your soult and aslo this LORD GOD LOVES YOU this is the 95 thesis of revelation . https://archive.org/details/EXPLAINDANIELANDREVELATIONUPDATE19WithOutExtraEvidence
DEFENDING GENSISS AND REBELLLION IS cause of oppressed and oppressors .
a conversation ihad DEFEND GENSISI AND thAT SIN AND REBELLIONI S CAUSE OF HuMAN SUFFerING . Deacon Verter
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