Genesis 3 1 – 24 King James Version (KJV)

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I had a conversification about this morality with someone .

teddy boef HYPERLINK ""17 hours ago

Do not make this about religion but about human decency and common sense.





 man made doctrine are inherently illegitimate .if you have right to decried what is good and evil so does a another man if but have right the same man will have right as mob of people if one man says kill the Jews and mob says that is bad or the mob says kill the jews that a man says that is bad . now then if there is a policy that will kill one million people one says that is bad and another says it is a success who is right ? for both have a inherent right to deiced good and evil and both contradict each but because both have a right to do

 so both are right and both are wrong for according to the man who said it is success but his view measured against the other mans view standard is wrong but if according to his standard it is he correct and the other man's standard it is wrong and vise versa the other man standard says it is failure and the other success . anyway both are right and wrong .

Human doctrine is inherently illegitimate right or not .


Ultimately it comes down to power who has the power to impose themselves weather through numbers or guns or what ever form it might be .

but ultimately LORD GOD decide good and evil and as it is written stone the builders rejected has become the head of the cornor and two whom shall fall on shall be broken and the one whom it falls on shall be ground into powder.


GOD has set the standard of good and evil and those who adhere to it and who accepts him as their LORD and obeys them so they shall be justifed via christ and live on to eternity with GOD and shall go back to the garden and live forever but those who reject GOD and will not obey shall be destroyed though the wicked wield the power of death but because this person as sinned against GOD by putting himself before and other GOD shall destroy him and will destroy as much as he before he is destroyed but the man who is loyal to LORD GOD shall be resurrected and beyond the hands of the wicked and shall never suffer again .


for LORD GOD wield power over life and death and those who die in Christ shall live forever for LORD GOD can resurrect and put to death whom he wishes at his will he is THE LORD GOD the LORD of HEAVEN AND EARTH and his LAW is the TRUE LAW OF LOVE . for in us is sprite that tell us to serve GOD love others our selves but corrupted humanity is defile what should come natural is unnatural for we inherit the corrupt nature from Adam and eve and now a standard is set those who adhere to GOD standard of Good and evil shall be killed by this world for the whole world is in rebellion in league with devil . The children of the devil who serves themselves and put themsleves before other and there is those in obedience a minority the wicked will kill them but GOD shall raise them up on the last day and beyond the ravenous claws of the wicked and live forever with GOD in relationship with him in the garden but the wicked killed by God and then shall be resurrected they will recognize recognize Christ then killed again they shall remain in the grave forever while the Christians live in renewed earth with LORD GOD and JESUS and fellow Christians .
JESUS said .
John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

so there is obedience to GOD and life and hated of this world and be slain then resurrected on the last day then life on to eternity with GOD and they are beyond the hands of devil and his children . Then there is rebellion and loved of men then killed by GOD for your sins and then resurrected 1000 years after Christ second coming and die after they recognize Christ then die again this time for good .

As to is written Matthew 21:42-44 King James Version (KJV)
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Had another conversation with a man discussing about this issue . 





you said ' I think even having these discussions give theists too much ground. "Objective morality", "ultimate justice" and the like are reasons why religious people want a god to exist. But listing reasons why it would be nice if something existed is no way relevant to the question whether it actually does exist. I can list a lot of reasons why it would be nice if there were a billion dollars in my bank account. But doing so won't put those billion dollars there. Ultimately I have to come to terms with the fact that there are no billion dollars in my bank account no matter how nice that would be. '

it is written .

Matthew 22:36-40 King James Version (KJV)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Romans 7:14-24 King James Version (KJV)

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

1 Timothy 4:1-5 King James Version (KJV)

4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

my response is very simple in the beginning we loved the LORD GOD will all heart soul and strength and love others as ourselves but after the fall we become corrupted . now we have to contrary forces once that is law of GOD and law of flesh which is the inversion of the law OF GOD . as i previously spoke in my previous comment we have a inherent sense of good and evil from divine authority without there is not such thing as good and evil then people blame GOD saying their is some much evil and suffering in the world without a inherent sense of good and evil nobody would care when people doubt that LORD God is decider of good and evil i say he is creator his nature is masculine knowing what is good and evil while creation feminine nature is absence of knowledge but what is received ( knowledge ) from GOD .


so my question i will asked is related to previous post .

it is written

Isaiah 29:16
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.


do you know what Yahweh means ' he will be ' he is not being thought up by man but GOD has always existed but it was GOD that created man.

here is scenario to establish whether a preexisting God's law of love God's standard of good and evil exists or not ( Matthew 22 36 -40 which is heart of law of GOD and from which thou shalt not murder , steal , adultery etc derive from . )


now my question is it okay for grown woman to fak a 12 year old boi ? .link in the description below .. they what happen in America when old woman fak young b0ys ?.


so my first question do you or or anybody have right to decided good and evil ?

if not regardless of weither for or anti is you deciding weither good or evil is illegitimate as you do not have right to deiced good and evil .

secondly question if you have right to decided good and evil ?

if two people one is for and the other anti for both have right to decided good and evil for according to one it is okay according to that person standard of good and evil and other is contrary to his standard of good and evil . so if both are right according to their own standard of good and evil a but is wrong according to other contrary standard of good and evil . so who is right ? ( NOTE the standard of good and evil is decided by man and is not hinged any other factor or creteiraas deciding good and evil is a right regardless of consequence if good or bad . deciding good and evil is a right and only what is good or evil is decided by the mind of standard setter matters nothing else . .)


who is correct ( note barring the use of power to impose one self and their standard )? .

for both are right according to their. own standard but wrong according to standard of the other and cannot impose themselves and dominate demanding adherence to their standard or negative repercussion but right alone . so they nullify each other as both have the same right and are canceling each other as both are right and wrong . so it is nullified made of no effect .

so it is not right or wrong with a right to decide good and evil


so if there is inherent sense of good and evil ( a inherent standard of good and evil ) in us which is not derived of our own mind but influences us there must be standard setter therefore a intelligent mind behind it so a GOD and his standard is in our minds ( but we can adhere to it or sear our conscious and make it of no effect ). if not what makes a woman fak a 12 year 0ld wrong ? , if both are wrong and right . so if we bear a right it is it is nullified by contradicting standard and as both have right ( which is not connect to criteria or consequences but right to deicdedwhat is good and evil ) so both the one who is pro or the person who is anti standard are 100 % legitimate and both are right according to their own standard and wrong according to the other standard so because they contradict each they are nullified so it is neither right or wrong or if humans do not have the right to deiced good and evil are both position are 100 % illegitimate as you do not have right to deiced good and evil .

but we know intuitively it is wrong for a grown woman to have sax with a 12 year old .



This will show you how sociopathic people are in general .

a corrupt system that ruined us over here is proof 3 million men in 5 years "False Accusations in Spain" link in the description

Spain 3 million

a according to the standard of good and evil by the woman behind this law the ruining of the lives of 3 million men is success and while the protesters standard of good and evil this is a failure .,



so humans cannot deiced good and evil but if their is a  standard of good and evil that is inherently in us but is not derived of own minds but influences us we can either adhere to or go against it so there must was be intelligence behind that standard that is inherently in us and influences so a GOD  and he deiced what is good and evil not humans .







 the Lost Q  evil what is destructive and should disallowed vs good which is beginin or constructive ( positive ) and is permitted . . example p0rngraphy one could say it is not allowed as it harmful to relationships or is to be allowed as it provides outlet so men or woman do not act malicious for woman to rape a man or man to rape a woman . regardless you can see both negative and positive on both sides so who gets what they want ? . power is needed is answer the guns of the state . so they need numbers votes to use to gain the postition of power to impose themselves on the world and force people to adhere to it or face the violence of the state or if there is no democracy who ever has biggest gan and establish dominance with in a Territory and those who adhere to his standard of good and evil live and those who do not die ( remember humanity has claimed equality between GOD and creation so they exalt themselves to being the center of universe were GOD should be worshiped but as creation lack all the positive attributes GOD posses so it is no self sufficient while there was equality become inequality were they equal and cooperative relationship of mutual interest t o one of competition of self interest of oppresserr opressed relationship were one is rich and other made poor the one who wields power is terrfied of losing while the one who is oppressed is hate filled and wish to take power so he is made rich . so humans fighting to dominate over the world for materialism but also to impose a ideology but it does not matter who wins the battle for both shall die ad pleasure in which they had in their life is nothing when one is dead . for the suffering of derives from the broken relationship with GOD the solution is repair the relationship with GOD via Christ and live on to eternity with GOD in relationship but humanity caught in the cycal of evil where arrogance drives one to embrace rebellion and commit evil then they say their is so much evil and become arrogant and embrace rebellion ( put your self before GOD and others violating the heart of the law of GOD ) and commit evil driving others to evil . so rebellion to impose yourself on the world for money and power and inequality between men .

a oppressed and oppressor relationship where those who wield power are made rich and exsploit the people and they who weild power are afraid of losing it while those who under someones boot wish to take power . this really is ruled by the devil and majority of humanity which in known as garbage are in rebellion againtst GODS authority

anyway .

 . another example 1 million people die as result of genocide one person who bleives human life is important thing so sees it as tragedy while another values the environment as the most important thing over human life and sees the the destruction of this 1 million people as positive thing as reducing the negative influences humans have on the earth . do you see my point ? .


one last example the vaccinationist vs the anti vaxxers this about human rights versus security what about . One side the vaccinatintor want to perserve life and view it as the most important but also the GOVERMENT is their protector and provider as in the pslam king david viewed GOD as his protector nad provider as paretn with child or man and wife . Psalm 23 King James Version (KJV)

23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

. the vaccinationist want the government to have control and sovrignity over people bodies thinking they have right and do whatever they desire and they see no higher power but have the right to decided good and evil but the anti vaxxers see the government as thing of man not a god ( like the god kingers or the divine right of kinger (worshippers of the state) ) and as a woman can turn on her child so can the state as the very people it control it is control by so evil given power to restrain evil but also see the state as the potential evil itself so want to restrain it by perserving personal rights and restraining it power . But The other side the vaccinationist do not see that way but as king david with GOD they see it with government . They see know other higher power but the state and right to deicde good and evil is their right .

so this a conflict driven by people driven by fear and idoltry vs people who do not see the government as god . So whoever has the most power will impose their will the vaccinatiors the perservation of life and hoping the government will be their protector and provider vs the other side who see human rights as they this forfeiting sovriningity over your own body so the erosion of rights will lead to lost of other rights and ultimatly slavery like condictions , so the conflict between security and rights

this is conflict between the GOD of GOVERMENT the GOD king worshipers( also known divine right of kings ) .


so who has power will impose themselves on the 49 % by the 51 %. so this is known as tyranny of the majority so it comes down power who has the number to use the political machinery to use the coercsion of the state which is back by force for non compliance . So the majority oppress the minority the one who weild power is afraid of losing power while the ones is hate filled as they are being oppressed so a constant domiance for power to impose themselves .







anyway human standard of good and evil is completely subjective but the inherent sense of good and evil which is objective which derives from GOD and it is his standard of good and evil which is correct so people need to obey GOD subordinate to GOD authority and equality between men instead of rebellion against LORD GOD equal to GOD and inequality between means which is cause of all humanity problems .






"evil what is destructive and should disallowed vs good which is beginin or constructive ( positive )and is permitted" None of that sounds 'decided' by anyone, untill you tag on 'permitted'. It strikes me as odd you define Good as constructive AND permitted. Why permitted?




@the Lost Q


there is no standard of good and evil without someone to come up with one it requires a intelligent mind ./what is permitted and not permitted is hinged on that which is decided by someone standard of good and evil what they perceive as constructive ,beign( harmless ) or beneficial and what that standard perceives as destructive which is not allowed . the standard set by humans and adhered to is one who has the power to impose his will through violence the abililty to harm those who do not comply . secondly you brought up ' It strikes me as odd you define Good as constructive AND permitted. Why permitted? ' this would me using a poor choice of words . what i meant is that which is beign ( harmless ) or constructive is permmited which is perceived as destructive is not permitted . . so there is subjective standard set man or objective standard set by GOD that is inherently in us . the only correct standard comes from GOD as alreadly know good and evil as part of attributes is omnibenolance meaning he is good and knows good and evil . while created beings are not omnibenovlant and their knowledge of good and evil derives from him we adhered to that standard of good and evil as prior to the fall but after it we became corrupted with to contrary forces the law of GOD . to love the LORD GOD with all heart soul and strength and love others as yourself . and law of the flesh the inversion of GOD's law . so there is the truth vs the deviation from the truth the lie . so when i say we should adhere to GOD's standard of good and evil i am saying we need to adhere to the truth GOD's standard of good and evil . for there are many answer to question of 1 + 1 but there is only 1 correct answer . Proverbs 3:5-6 [Full Chapter] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. . the created beings either adhere to GOD's standard of good and evil which comes his omniscience knowing all things . or to humans standard a creathed being with limted knowledge whose standard of good and evil comes from the corruption of GOD standard . so i am saying GOD standard is truth while man's standard is a lie so i am saying obey GOD for he is not created being who is corruptable being as a human or acts maliciously as humans but he is good for he is omnibenvolent .