• House orders Pentagon to say if it weaponized ticks and released them

    The order requires the agency to say if it experimented with insects for use as a biological weapon between 1950 and 1975

    John M. Donnelly
    @johnmdonnelly

    Posted Jul 15, 2019 2:46 PM

    The House quietly voted last week to require the Pentagon inspector general to tell Congress whether the department experimented with weaponizing disease-carrying insects and whether they were released into the public realm — either accidentally or on purpose.

    The unusual proposal took the form of an amendment that was adopted by voice vote July 11 during House debate on the fiscal 2020 defense authorization bill, which lawmakers passed the following day.

    The amendment, by New Jersey Republican Christopher H. Smith, says the inspector general “shall conduct a review of whether the Department of Defense experimented with ticks and other insects regarding use as a biological weapon between the years of 1950 and 1975.”

    If the answer is yes, then the IG must provide the House and Senate Armed Services committees with a report on the experiments’ scope and “whether any ticks or insects used in such experiments were released outside of any laboratory by accident or experiment design.”

    The amendment is an attempt to confirm or deny reports that Pentagon researchers — at places such as Fort Detrick in Maryland and Plum Island in New York — implanted diseases into insects to learn about the effects of biological weapons and also looked into using such insects to disseminate biological agents.

    President Richard Nixon banned U.S. government research into biological weapons in 1969, but research into protecting U.S. military personnel from such agents may have continued, Smith said in an interview Monday.

    A book called “Bitten,” published this year, makes the case that the Defense Department research occurred and hints at a possible connection between the experiments and the spread of maladies such as Lyme disease, which is borne by ticks.

    To Smith and other advocates of the Pentagon IG report, studying the past may provide data that can help stem the spread of Lyme disease in the future.

    Between 300,000 and 427,000 new cases of Lyme disease occur each year, with further growth expected in the years ahead, said Smith, a founding co-chairman of the Congressional Lyme Disease Caucus, which advocates for greater awareness of the disease and for more funding for research into a cure.

    “We need answers and we need them now,” Smith said.

    Smith’s amendment was co-sponsored by Minnesota Democrat Collin C. Peterson, who is the House caucus’s other leader, and by Maryland Republican Andy Harris.

    Pat Smith, president of the Lyme Disease Association, said in an interview Monday that she is hopeful the IG report could provide information that could save lives.

    “We need to find out: is there anything in this research that was supposedly done that can help us to find information that is germane to patient health and combating the spread of the disease,” she said.

    It remains to be seen whether Congress will send President Donald Trump a defense authorization bill with the weaponized ticks amendment. The Senate has passed its version without any similar provision, and now House and Senate negotiators must reconcile the two bills.

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    House orders Pentagon to say if it weaponized ticks and released them The order requires the agency to say if it experimented with insects for use as a biological weapon between 1950 and 1975 John M. Donnelly @johnmdonnelly Posted Jul 15, 2019 2:46 PM The House quietly voted last week to require the Pentagon inspector general to tell Congress whether the department experimented with weaponizing disease-carrying insects and whether they were released into the public realm — either accidentally or on purpose. The unusual proposal took the form of an amendment that was adopted by voice vote July 11 during House debate on the fiscal 2020 defense authorization bill, which lawmakers passed the following day. The amendment, by New Jersey Republican Christopher H. Smith, says the inspector general “shall conduct a review of whether the Department of Defense experimented with ticks and other insects regarding use as a biological weapon between the years of 1950 and 1975.” If the answer is yes, then the IG must provide the House and Senate Armed Services committees with a report on the experiments’ scope and “whether any ticks or insects used in such experiments were released outside of any laboratory by accident or experiment design.” The amendment is an attempt to confirm or deny reports that Pentagon researchers — at places such as Fort Detrick in Maryland and Plum Island in New York — implanted diseases into insects to learn about the effects of biological weapons and also looked into using such insects to disseminate biological agents. President Richard Nixon banned U.S. government research into biological weapons in 1969, but research into protecting U.S. military personnel from such agents may have continued, Smith said in an interview Monday. A book called “Bitten,” published this year, makes the case that the Defense Department research occurred and hints at a possible connection between the experiments and the spread of maladies such as Lyme disease, which is borne by ticks. To Smith and other advocates of the Pentagon IG report, studying the past may provide data that can help stem the spread of Lyme disease in the future. Between 300,000 and 427,000 new cases of Lyme disease occur each year, with further growth expected in the years ahead, said Smith, a founding co-chairman of the Congressional Lyme Disease Caucus, which advocates for greater awareness of the disease and for more funding for research into a cure. “We need answers and we need them now,” Smith said. Smith’s amendment was co-sponsored by Minnesota Democrat Collin C. Peterson, who is the House caucus’s other leader, and by Maryland Republican Andy Harris. Pat Smith, president of the Lyme Disease Association, said in an interview Monday that she is hopeful the IG report could provide information that could save lives. “We need to find out: is there anything in this research that was supposedly done that can help us to find information that is germane to patient health and combating the spread of the disease,” she said. It remains to be seen whether Congress will send President Donald Trump a defense authorization bill with the weaponized ticks amendment. The Senate has passed its version without any similar provision, and now House and Senate negotiators must reconcile the two bills. http://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/house-orders-pentagon-report-whether-weaponized-ticks
    House orders Pentagon to say if it weaponized ticks and released them
    The order requires the agency to say if it experimented with ticks and other insects for use as a biological weapon between 1950 and 1975.
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  • Recently I had a spate of rationality in which I lost all faith in things spiritual and divine, including all the arts such as religion, music, art and philosophy etc. This was because I was studying https://mathsandtime.com which is simple relativity. I lost all faith in musicians I formerly liked, I said to myself why listen to them when there is Albert Einstein? I even questioned history as in what is the point of studying say Roman history? Then I said to myself of course Roman history is very important. Because I was studying https://squareoftime.com I stated rational things like “time is not spiritual or divine” and “do not seek spiritual enlightenment, seek time intellectually” and I really believed it! Then I realised that Jesus Christ and the Buddha were not physicists and had no knowledge of time, they were philosophers and had knowledge of the spiritual and divine. Then later through reading, I discovered some philosophy I called ‘nativism and primitivism’ or more specifically it was a proverb I called ‘The Proverb of The Golden Bird’ which made me believe in religion, philosophy, art and music etc again. Nativism and primitivism are the opposite of capitalism and they made me believe in humanity again. Then I discovered mixing music and this made me once again believe in music and the spiritual and divine etc even more. Mixing music is the nail in the coffin for science. To conclude, although I like https://timeandmaths.com and will always do it as well as other sciences, I worked out that there is hope for the soul with religion, philosophy, art and music etc while there is nothing in maths and time. The Christ and the Buddha were cool philosophers not geeky scientists. Hence, I choose faith over science. However, faith and science should be reconciled.‬
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    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201905021074648080-russia-us-positions-incompatible/
    ""We agreed to maintain contacts, including on Venezuela, but I don't see a way to reconcile our positions — ours, on the one hand, which is based on the UN Charter and the principles and norms of international law, and that of the United States, on the other, in which Washington assigns the acting president of another country," Lavrov said, speaking to reporters in Tashkent, Uzbekistan on Thursday." https://sputniknews.com/asia/201905021074648080-russia-us-positions-incompatible/
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  • a conversation ihad DEFEND GENSISI AND thAT SIN AND REBELLIONI S CAUSE OF HuMAN SUFFerING .  Deacon Verter 

    @dsf111 000 Sorry dude. Rhonda is right and you...you drank the kool-aid. We came out of Africa, not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says. Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. In fact, identifying Adam as an actual person is unbiblical. The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil. Goodbye Original Sin!
    But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) tells Eve that if they eat the fruit, they won't die. They ate. But did they die? Nope! They lived for centuries thereafter! So plainly God lied and the Serpent told the truth, right? Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible.

    YOU SAID '


    Sorry dude. Rhonda is right and you...you drank the kool-aid. We came out of Africa, not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says. Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence.

    YOU SSAID . ' Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city'

    my response .



    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5147843/scientists-baffled-as-35-year-old-corpse-resembling-a-dinosaur-is-found-with-flesh-still-on-its-bones-in-india/

    https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2017/0131/How-a-195-million-year-old-dinosaur-bone-could-still-have-soft-tissue-in-it
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2007/12/north-dakota-dinosaur-mummy/

    dinosaur were said to have died out 65 million years ago according to the scientists the issue with that is dinosaurs with flesh intact very recently if it was 65 million years as you claim that sinply would not be there is no way it could last 65 million years . so there is evidence to contrary of these garbage dating method people have come up with .

    YOU SAID 'our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. ' also 'not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says '

    I think a banana transitional form before apples then a fig tree then we became humans .
    here is the problem with evolution at one point or another you have to have a transitional from non life to life the law of biogensis is stumbling block which brings down the whole of cards which evoution which is known as spontaneous generation which was debunked over 100 years ago unbelievable and they still push it .

    That's a Fact Louis Pasteur
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGtiUA1tbQ&list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzi7z2ZYAlT_9pLJVmyZrdf&index=5

    secondly evoutiion is compliation of mutartion over time and the build up of a creature but if you cannot go from non life to life it does not matter if there is millions of years secondly modern evotutionist are actually saying the dna is degenrating at a rapid pace . So what is dna ? It is biological genetic code sequence of atom and molecules called a gene that produce a function ( like grow make red blood cells componant make this catalyst that speeds up the reaction etc ) it all interconnected and works it is like computer and very tempermental damage though be small profound effect because it is all connected together .

    CAN HUMAN EXSTINCTION BE STOPPED .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dl6oOHtWBo&t=24s
    Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV)

    5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; andcalled his name Seth:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons anddaughters:
    5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
    8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
    11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
    12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
    14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
    17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
    20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
    23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
    32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

    So the evolutionist says the human dna is decaying which correlates with the genesis account of this until it reached 120 years with Abraham secondly if you have lots of kids and live 1000 years and because there dna is less damaged due to mutation and were smarter and stronger you could build cities also if you dna is perfect with flaws seth did fuck his sister and their fucked each other because the dna is not like it today with medicine glasses hip replacements etc we would not live more then 30 40 years .. lastly ever seen a living dinosaure oh but they exsists but they cannot have because you never have seen one . That is annoyance when the bring it up it was in diffrence circumstance and time so of couarse we find strange . But just like dinosaurs exsited but never seen a living one does not mean they did not exists .
    Okay os have dealt with 65 million years ,genetic decay , biogensis . So that debunks your old earth theories with actual evidence .


    YOU SAID The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil

     In fact, identifying Adam as an actual person is unbiblical. The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil.

    http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen2.pdf

    u·iitzrand·he-is-formingיְהוָהieueYahwehאֱ הִ יםaleimElohimאֶתath»־-הָ אָדָ םe·admthe·humanעָפָרophrsoilמִ ןmnfrom־-הָ אֲדָ מָ הe·admethe·groundוַיִּפַּחu·iphchand·he-is-blowingAndtheLORDGodformed man [of] the dust ofthe ground, and breathedinto his nostrils the breathof life; and man became aliving soul.7בְּ אַפָּיוb·aphi·uin·nostrils-of·himנִשְׁ מַ תnshmthbreath-ofחַ יִּיםchiimlivesוַיְהִ יu·ieiand·he-is-becomingהָ אָדָ םe·admthe·humanלְ נֶפֶשׁl·nphshto·soulחַ יָּהchieliving:::82וַיִּטַּעu·itoand·he-is-plantingיְהוָהieueYahwehאֱ הִ יםaleimElohimגַּןgngarden־-בְּ עֵדֶ ןb·odnin·Edenמִ קֶּ דֶ םm·qdmfrom·eastוַיָּשֶׂםu·ishmand·he-is-placingשָׁםshmthereאֶתath»־-.
    17 But of the tree of theknowledge ofgood andevil, thou shalt not eat of it:for in the day that thoueatest thereof thou shaltsurely die.
    I checked the hebrew and it said soil and breath of life .

    LORD GOD created a living soul with breath life and dust sprite and phyiscal matter make soul we phyiscal and spritual . He did not come to life until the breath life was in him nor do any of animals which are also living souls . you insinuation of LORD GOD use of evoution which would use million of death and suffering is faulty . LORD GOD spoke the word and existed then breathed in them he pour breath of life with out the breath of life nothing would live except plants which are physical matter another example is the moon is that alive ? . anyway animals and humans require the breath of life million of years will not bring them life only the breath of life did so he created bodies then breathed life into them .

    YOU SAID

    But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) tells Eve that if they eat the fruit, they won't die. They ate. But did they die? Nope! They lived for centuries thereafter! So plainly God lied and the Serpent told the truth, right?




    MY RESPONSE
    you said But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die."

    LORD GOD said if they ate fruit they will die as result the reason is very simple the relationship between man and GOD it like man and woman or parent and child GOD loves us ( authority and responsibility ) and be obey him ( hear and do his commands ) if reject GOD authority neither will he be responsible for you for authority with responsibility is operation of creation and responsibility with authority is the oppression of GOD but as GOD is incorruptible being he cannot remain in relationship which is toxic from mutualk interestion to self interest so LORD GOD was spererated from as result the as result of broken relationship between man and GOD .LORD GOD sustains all things and what is sperated from him dies like plant uprooted and wither in the sun . So that is what kills him not the fruit the broken relationship .we will weither and die .as written in IsiAH AND EZEKIAL and in revelation the dragon the serpant of old satan came down then in the form of satan then the very lie of equality between creation and creator he tempted eve with to rebel againts adam and GOD and she got adam to rebel againts GOD by not rejecting eve as LORD GOD seperated away from humanity . this is cause of fall of humanity .
    1000 years is nothing compared to 100 trillion years or eternity if you take step back and look at wider picture


    YOU SAID .
    The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story)
    that is not true

    Isaiah 14:12 in all English translations
    Ezekiel 28:16
    Ezekiel 28:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
    16
    “By the abundance of your trading
    You became filled with violence within,
    And you sinned;
    Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
    Out of the mountain of God;
    And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
    From the midst of the fiery stones.
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    Ezekiel 28:16 in all English translations
    Revelation 12:7-9
    Revelation 12:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Satan Thrown Out of Heaven

    YOU SAID
    Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible."



    EDITED BETTER GRAMMER . PART 3 OF 3 HERE i will clean up the grammar . YOU SAID Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible."



    created being such humans, animals ,angels are created being they cannot exists outside of relationship with GOD or they will die . as like the relationship between GOD and creation is described as between a man and woman or parent and child .

    How the relationship between the parent and child or man and woman work.

    woman are to submit to the authority (obey to hear and do his commands ) of there husband and men love ( authoirty and resonsiblity over her ) your wife for cooperation between men and woman occurs when they respect each others role a man has authority and resposnbility for te woman the woman obeys her husbands commands she does as she is told .anyway this cooperation and both mutally benfit from this but when you try to make woman and men equal in which both are fundementally unqeual it turns to oppressers oppressed realationship a realtionship of competition from serving each other to serving yourself and either the man or the woman will be oppressed .if the man has resposniblity and not authority she is oppressing him and him oppresd if he authority but no responsbilityty he is oppresing her . that is why equality between men and woman is satanic because it is toxic producing a realationship from cooperation to comepetion and one lives richly while the other suffers but both are miserable . that is why LORD GOD serperated himself from us at the garden because if he remained he would remanin in a toxic relationship and he rremoved himself for he will not be oppressed or opress so we were seprated and because LORD GOD is incorruptable he cannot remain for he cannot go againts his nature and allow himself eithet to be a opressorr or oppressed hencforth seperation and as he gave life so he shall take it away as you have rejected him so he will in turn reject you .

    in the garden GOD created woman for the man she is made to have relationship with him and if she defies her purpose (or role in the relationship ) it breaks the relationship and separation will occur so from nothingness she comes from nothing she and she returns to nothing that is what should have happened in the garden Adam to reject eve and she would have been destroyed and him saved as she rebelled . For she is to obey Adam as unto the LORD GOD but she rebelled against GOD and Adam and this she broke her relationship with GOD . For creations obeys ( hear and does his commands ) GOD and GOD loves ( authority and responsibility )his creation .


    Satan lie is a lie of equality . Lucifer doctrine at a heart of it is of equality between God and creation their natures are the same
    he rejected the knowledge of GOD and acted based on his emotion not truth he went against the feminine nature ( dependent ( not self sufficient ) , limited knowledge , limited power etc ) of creation which absence of positive attributes of the creator masculine nature ( life in himself (self sufficient , omniscient , omnipresence , omnipotent etc ) GOD , .

    when you rebel what GOD has ordained you have rejected GOD authority and neither will he responsible and separation occurs and as he was sustaining us we fall in to desoulation and die .

    Then once separated the angels of heaven had a choice and 2/3 were loyal to GOD but 1/3 came down to the earth then as we bear GOD image we also were given a choice .Lucifer sold the same lie to eve as brought about his own downfall his own failure . So she rebelled against Adam and GOD then instead of rejecting eve and casting her away he joined in the rebellion rebelling against GOD by staying in the toxic relationship were a man does not have authority he is oppressed but man who does bear resposnbility ( protect and provide) he is oppressing the woman so in trying to create equality you create oppressor oppressed dynamic where one is rich and other poor and that is broken relationship remained in and that is the sin of adam then when humans rejected GOD he rejected us in turn and it created seperation . To understand why we created being are oppressed and oppressors .






    WHY WE HUMANS ARE OPPRESSED , OPPRESSOrS AND OUR SEPERATION FROM GOD ..
    I had to address this issue before . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kt7xbqxiI


    LEAVE THE CHURCH ALONE ALL YOU PEOPLE PROBLEMS ARE SELF INFLICTED YOU ANTI GOD PIECE OF SHIT AND YOUR GREED FOR MATERIALISM INSTEAD OF PUTTING GOD FRIST before yourself and love others as yourself has Christ said was greatest commandment love for GOD and other . the whole world instead they put themselves before GOD and other YOU WANT TO EXTRACT AS PLEASURE of this life as possible with no regard for others or GOD self by burning you bridges with GOD they reject reconciliation with GOD and putting yourself at enmity with other AND THEN YOU GET OUT COMPETET by some one with teeth of iron and are being squeezed while they live rich and you made poor then and instead of blaming humanity rebellion in garden and it embracing rebellion .

    For the problem is not the system or resources
    here read this
    Genesis 41:33-57 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41%3A33+-+60&version=KJV

    Genesis 47:8-31 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+47+%3A+8+-100&version=KJV

    1 Samuel 22:5-9 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+22%3A5-9&version=KJV

    1 Samuel 8:4-22 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8%3A4-30&version=KJV

    read what JESUS said about how elites are supposed to do.

    Luke 22:22-29 King James Version (KJV)
    22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
    23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.
    24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
    25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
    26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
    27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
    28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
    29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

    THE ELITES ARE MEANT SERVE US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND .

    the broken relationship between man and GOD is the problem . When we rebelled we inverted the law of GOD obedience to GOD and equality between men this became inverted were we obdient to GOD seperation occurred and he stopped sustaining us and were equality between men became inequality . We live in dyig world because it is seperated us from GOD and we are oppressing and being oppressed where their was equality now we have rich and poor . For they say theor is no GOD embrace rebellion and to extract as much pleasure of this life as possible they commit evil; then they say why is there so much evil and say there is no GOD and the embrace rebellion and commit evil then blame GOD . So they want GOD to have responsibility and no authority they make decision to rebel against GOD and blame GOD for the consequences of their chiocs . So this childish and immature mindset of saying there is no GOD the put themselves before GOD and others and to extract as much pleasure as possible they commit war violence exploitation and when another person who also claims there is no GOD and is tring to extract as much pleasure out of this life and they find themselves being squeezed or crushed

    THEN they CRY THE VICTIM when other who also claim there is no GOD and want ot extract and this other person has placed them in dire straits by others who are competing harder .

    2000 years ago Christ the one to reconcile mankind to GOD and for fill the promise of the garden of eden . He also problem humanity is corrupt and that is cause of all of humanity problems. he showed the solution to the problem to go back as we were before the fall to love he LORD GOD with all the hearth mind soul and strength and love others as ourselves . we need to acknowledge our failure in the garden and our own personal failures and be reconciled to GOD and love GOD with all heart soul strength and mind and love others as ourselves and give up this life and what we could have now and pursue a relationship with GOD and live on to eternity with GOD in the garden of Eden.. .
    that is the soution because those who have faith in GOD and his promises are infinitly more valuable then immediate gain of this world but world does not bleive and wish to rage a lion and then cry victim and blame GOD when they find themsevs being squeezed .

    We have more resources then ever but greater wealth inequality in history , system is not the problem we have tried democracy theocracy , monarchy ,republic . Nothing solves because they are not the root cause the broken relationship between man and GOD is . So God was sustaining us we now dying where there was equality cooperation mutual interest now become oppressers oppressed realtionships .our sin in the garden and own personal failures are the problem there is something wrong with humanity .


    the one sent to reconcile humanityand what did people do to him they murdered him and rose the third day so humanity rejected Christ therefore GOD and does not wish for reconciliation but to rage as like it was before the flood . GOD solution is mercy to those who wish for reconciliation and those who wish to rage destroy and die . The rightouss to life and wicked to death .



    END OF MY PREVIOUS CONVERSATION .

    as I was saying the only one with true immortality is GOD and only him . creation has conditional immortality as long as its relationship with GOD they shall live on to eternity seperation means death so as long s the human heart is not risen up againts God but it humble and is in obdience in GOD we are fine but when we try to create oppressors .

    Lastly the bible is the divine inspired word it written by LORD GOD placing the holy sprite on them and the utter the words he wished and write what he wishs that is what makes a prohpet a prophet the holy sprite and other times he uses them to make prohecy a warrior interpret of dream or whatever GOD needs .

    Anyway Moses wrote the frist 5 books of the bible . the Torah he was written 400 years after abraham and he wrote about sodom and gommrah being judged by GOD here it is below they found it in israel . SODOM AND GOMMMRAH ancient ruins youtu.be/wlojzxgoLyI?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv they found these ruins in geograpaical location I

    they found the ruin made of white ashy composite material . it was 99 % pure sulpur white sulphur which does not natural occurs after that calcium carbonate ( lime stone ) reacts with sulfur to make calcium sulphate . they found graves with mass quanities of bones 500000 estmiateed people buried there proving they were very populated cities . in the grave they found a large vareity of nuts , seeds and vegatables as the bible said it was like the garden of the LORD before GOD's judgement ..

    The ruins are compared to a volcano eruption which erupted on pompeii in italy and the somdom and gommorah are very difrent every where ash fall at pompeii on people formed molded around them the ash at the ruins in israel there is not ash molded around people , we have ancient israel archlogy of frist temple period and the second .to those who doubt anceint israel exsitence here is playlist of ancietn israel aracology youtu.be/Su5Hoo9W_Vk?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv



    THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH . ..

    i will ask you three question . why does 1948 AD Israel exists (a nation dead for 2000 years for the Jews have recovered the land and revived the ancient script and language Hebrew ) ? . secondly why is it that this nation that has been dead for 2000 years is allied with the two ( US AND EU ) greatest military and economic powers to ever exist and who are allied together dominate the world and support 1948 AD Israel ? . lastly has this ever happened before a nation dead for 2000 years allied with two greatest power ever who are allied together dominate the world and supports a nation that has been dead for nar 2000 years ?

    THIS IS THE GENERATION CHRIST SPOKE iT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF AS WRRITEN IN MATTEW 23 where god JUDGES ISRAEL BEFORE CHRISTs sECONd COMiNG READ SCRITPUTE 1 kings 19 13 - 14matt 27 22-27 luke 13 33- 35 acts 7 49-60 1 jeremiah 2 verse 29 30 1 Thessalonian 2 13-16 john 11 47 to 53 Matt 23 27-38 Revelation 17 1-6 rev 18 verse 20 and 24 rev 19 1-2 rev 19 11 and 21 and rev 20

    read the thesis is historical time from ancient Babylon 605 BC to now correlating with Biblical prophecy of Daniel 605 BC Babylon to 476 AD the division of the western roman empire and rise of the Vatican the rev 6 frist seal 1492 to 1918 western conloanisl second seal 1918 to 1991 COMMUNISM . the rise of dived roman empire the USA AND EU who supports the great babylon israel who killed the prohpets and is the location of armgeddon which is in israel where the USA AND EU in the battle of armgeddon will fight the christ . last i want to save your soult and aslo this LORD GOD LOVES YOU this is the 95 thesis of revelation . https://archive.org/details/EXPLAINDANIELANDREVELATIONUPDATE19WithOutExtraEvidence


































    created being humans animasl angels are created being they cannot exsits outside of relationship with GOD or they will die for woman is for the man she made to have relationship with him and if she defies her purpose she ceases to exsits from nothing she is made and she returns that is what should have happened in the garden , as I was saying the only one with true immoratality is GOD and only him creation has condictional immortality as long as its relationship with GOD they shall on to eternity .

    Lastly the bible is divine sprite word it written by LORD GOD placing the holy sprite on them and the y utter the words and write what he wishs that is what makes a prohpet a prophet and other times he uses them to make prohecy a warrior interpret of dream or whatever GOD needs .


    Anyway moses wrote the frist 5 books of the bible the torah he was 400 years after abraham and he bwrote about sodom and gommrah being judged by GOD here it is below they found it in israel .


     SODOM AND GOMMMRAH ancient ruins youtu.be/wlojzxgoLyI?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv they found these ruins in geograpaical location i spoke of them in the bible they found the ruin is made of white ashy composure it said it was 99 % pure sulpur white sulphur which does not natural occurs calcium carbonate ( lime stone ) reacts with sulfur to make calcium sulphate they found graves with mass quanities of bones 500000 estmiateed people buried there proving they were very populated cities they found a large vareity of nuts , seeds and vegatables as the bible said it was like the garden of the LORD before GOD's judgement .


    The ruins are compared to a volcano eruption which erupted on pompeii in italy and the somdom and gommorah are very difrent every where ash fall at pompeii on people formed molded around them the ash at the ruins in israel there is not ash molded around people ,
    we have ancient israel archlogy of frist temple period and the second
    .to those who doubt anceint israel exsitence here is playlist of ancietn israel aracology youtu.be/Su5Hoo9W_Vk?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv

    THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH . ..

    i will ask you three question . why does 1948 AD Israel exists (a nation dead for 2000 years for the Jews have recovered the land and revived the ancient script and language Hebrew ) ? . secondly why is it that this nation that has been dead for 2000 years is allied with the two ( US AND EU ) greatest military and economic powers to ever exist and who are allied together dominate the world and support 1948 AD Israel ? . lastly has this ever happened before a nation dead for 2000 years allied with two greatest power ever who are allied together dominate the world and supports a nation that has been dead for nar 2000 years ?




    THIS IS THE GENERATION CHRIST SPOKE iT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF AS WRRITEN IN MATTEW 23 where god JUDGES ISRAEL BEFORE CHRISTs sECONd COMiNG
    READ SCRITPUTE 1 kings 19 13 - 14matt 27 22-27 luke 13 33- 35 acts 7 49-60 1 jeremiah 2 verse 29 30 1 Thessalonian 2 13-16 john 11 47 to 53 Matt 23 27-38 Revelation 17 1-6 rev 18 verse 20 and 24 rev 19 1-2 rev 19 11 and 21 and rev 20



    read the thesis is historical time from ancient Babylon 605 BC to now correlating with Biblical prophecy of Daniel 605 BC Babylon to 476 AD the division of the western roman empire and rise of the Vatican the rev 6 frist seal 1492 to 1918 western conloanisl second seal 1918 to 1991 COMMUNISM . the rise of dived roman empire the USA AND EU who supports the great babylon israel who killed the prohpets and is the location of armgeddon which is in israel where the USA AND EU in the battle of armgeddon will fight the christ . last i want to save your soult and aslo this LORD GOD LOVES YOU this is the 95 thesis of revelation .
    https://archive.org/details/EXPLAINDANIELANDREVELATIONUPDATE22WITHOUTEXTRAEVIDENCE
    a conversation ihad DEFEND GENSISI AND thAT SIN AND REBELLIONI S CAUSE OF HuMAN SUFFerING .  Deacon Verter  @dsf111 000 Sorry dude. Rhonda is right and you...you drank the kool-aid. We came out of Africa, not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says. Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. In fact, identifying Adam as an actual person is unbiblical. The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil. Goodbye Original Sin! But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) tells Eve that if they eat the fruit, they won't die. They ate. But did they die? Nope! They lived for centuries thereafter! So plainly God lied and the Serpent told the truth, right? Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible. YOU SAID ' Sorry dude. Rhonda is right and you...you drank the kool-aid. We came out of Africa, not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says. Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. YOU SSAID . ' Humans were hunter/gatherers for 200,000 years and our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city' my response . https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5147843/scientists-baffled-as-35-year-old-corpse-resembling-a-dinosaur-is-found-with-flesh-still-on-its-bones-in-india/ https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2017/0131/How-a-195-million-year-old-dinosaur-bone-could-still-have-soft-tissue-in-it https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2007/12/north-dakota-dinosaur-mummy/ dinosaur were said to have died out 65 million years ago according to the scientists the issue with that is dinosaurs with flesh intact very recently if it was 65 million years as you claim that sinply would not be there is no way it could last 65 million years . so there is evidence to contrary of these garbage dating method people have come up with . YOU SAID 'our pre-human ancestors for millions of years before any city. We have scores of transitional forms as evidence. ' also 'not some garden in the Middle East. People never lived for centuries. The human race did not begin with two people followed by a bunch of incest and inbreeding and the first cities were not begun in the 2nd generation of people like the bible says ' I think a banana transitional form before apples then a fig tree then we became humans . here is the problem with evolution at one point or another you have to have a transitional from non life to life the law of biogensis is stumbling block which brings down the whole of cards which evoution which is known as spontaneous generation which was debunked over 100 years ago unbelievable and they still push it . That's a Fact Louis Pasteur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGtiUA1tbQ&list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzi7z2ZYAlT_9pLJVmyZrdf&index=5 secondly evoutiion is compliation of mutartion over time and the build up of a creature but if you cannot go from non life to life it does not matter if there is millions of years secondly modern evotutionist are actually saying the dna is degenrating at a rapid pace . So what is dna ? It is biological genetic code sequence of atom and molecules called a gene that produce a function ( like grow make red blood cells componant make this catalyst that speeds up the reaction etc ) it all interconnected and works it is like computer and very tempermental damage though be small profound effect because it is all connected together . CAN HUMAN EXSTINCTION BE STOPPED . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dl6oOHtWBo&t=24s Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV) 5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; andcalled his name Seth:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons anddaughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died. 12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. So the evolutionist says the human dna is decaying which correlates with the genesis account of this until it reached 120 years with Abraham secondly if you have lots of kids and live 1000 years and because there dna is less damaged due to mutation and were smarter and stronger you could build cities also if you dna is perfect with flaws seth did fuck his sister and their fucked each other because the dna is not like it today with medicine glasses hip replacements etc we would not live more then 30 40 years .. lastly ever seen a living dinosaure oh but they exsists but they cannot have because you never have seen one . That is annoyance when the bring it up it was in diffrence circumstance and time so of couarse we find strange . But just like dinosaurs exsited but never seen a living one does not mean they did not exists . Okay os have dealt with 65 million years ,genetic decay , biogensis . So that debunks your old earth theories with actual evidence . YOU SAID The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil  In fact, identifying Adam as an actual person is unbiblical. The original Hebrew reads "Ha adam" which means simply "The man" who came from "Ha adamu" the soil. http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen2.pdf u·iitzrand·he-is-formingיְהוָהieueYahwehאֱ הִ יםaleimElohimאֶתath»־-הָ אָדָ םe·admthe·humanעָפָרophrsoilמִ ןmnfrom־-הָ אֲדָ מָ הe·admethe·groundוַיִּפַּחu·iphchand·he-is-blowingAndtheLORDGodformed man [of] the dust ofthe ground, and breathedinto his nostrils the breathof life; and man became aliving soul.7בְּ אַפָּיוb·aphi·uin·nostrils-of·himנִשְׁ מַ תnshmthbreath-ofחַ יִּיםchiimlivesוַיְהִ יu·ieiand·he-is-becomingהָ אָדָ םe·admthe·humanלְ נֶפֶשׁl·nphshto·soulחַ יָּהchieliving:::82וַיִּטַּעu·itoand·he-is-plantingיְהוָהieueYahwehאֱ הִ יםaleimElohimגַּןgngarden־-בְּ עֵדֶ ןb·odnin·Edenמִ קֶּ דֶ םm·qdmfrom·eastוַיָּשֶׂםu·ishmand·he-is-placingשָׁםshmthereאֶתath»־-. 17 But of the tree of theknowledge ofgood andevil, thou shalt not eat of it:for in the day that thoueatest thereof thou shaltsurely die. I checked the hebrew and it said soil and breath of life . LORD GOD created a living soul with breath life and dust sprite and phyiscal matter make soul we phyiscal and spritual . He did not come to life until the breath life was in him nor do any of animals which are also living souls . you insinuation of LORD GOD use of evoution which would use million of death and suffering is faulty . LORD GOD spoke the word and existed then breathed in them he pour breath of life with out the breath of life nothing would live except plants which are physical matter another example is the moon is that alive ? . anyway animals and humans require the breath of life million of years will not bring them life only the breath of life did so he created bodies then breathed life into them . YOU SAID But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) tells Eve that if they eat the fruit, they won't die. They ate. But did they die? Nope! They lived for centuries thereafter! So plainly God lied and the Serpent told the truth, right? MY RESPONSE you said But I know how you Christians like to write your own bible. For example, the character of God tells the characters of Adam and Eve that "On the day" they eat the taboo fruit "You shall surely die." LORD GOD said if they ate fruit they will die as result the reason is very simple the relationship between man and GOD it like man and woman or parent and child GOD loves us ( authority and responsibility ) and be obey him ( hear and do his commands ) if reject GOD authority neither will he be responsible for you for authority with responsibility is operation of creation and responsibility with authority is the oppression of GOD but as GOD is incorruptible being he cannot remain in relationship which is toxic from mutualk interestion to self interest so LORD GOD was spererated from as result the as result of broken relationship between man and GOD .LORD GOD sustains all things and what is sperated from him dies like plant uprooted and wither in the sun . So that is what kills him not the fruit the broken relationship .we will weither and die .as written in IsiAH AND EZEKIAL and in revelation the dragon the serpant of old satan came down then in the form of satan then the very lie of equality between creation and creator he tempted eve with to rebel againts adam and GOD and she got adam to rebel againts GOD by not rejecting eve as LORD GOD seperated away from humanity . this is cause of fall of humanity . 1000 years is nothing compared to 100 trillion years or eternity if you take step back and look at wider picture YOU SAID . The serpent (never identified as Satan in the story) that is not true Isaiah 14:12 in all English translations Ezekiel 28:16 Ezekiel 28:16 New King James Version (NKJV) 16 “By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones. New King James Version (NKJV) Ezekiel 28:16 in all English translations Revelation 12:7-9 Revelation 12:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV) Satan Thrown Out of Heaven YOU SAID Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible." EDITED BETTER GRAMMER . PART 3 OF 3 HERE i will clean up the grammar . YOU SAID Here Christians scripture-twist and claim that they did die, but it was a "spiritual death." Any hint of that in the context? Nope. Where did they get this interpretation? They pulled it out of their ass to cover an embarrassment. So it's rather ignorant and pathetic of you to believe that "the creation narrative of the bible is plausible." created being such humans, animals ,angels are created being they cannot exists outside of relationship with GOD or they will die . as like the relationship between GOD and creation is described as between a man and woman or parent and child . How the relationship between the parent and child or man and woman work. woman are to submit to the authority (obey to hear and do his commands ) of there husband and men love ( authoirty and resonsiblity over her ) your wife for cooperation between men and woman occurs when they respect each others role a man has authority and resposnbility for te woman the woman obeys her husbands commands she does as she is told .anyway this cooperation and both mutally benfit from this but when you try to make woman and men equal in which both are fundementally unqeual it turns to oppressers oppressed realationship a realtionship of competition from serving each other to serving yourself and either the man or the woman will be oppressed .if the man has resposniblity and not authority she is oppressing him and him oppresd if he authority but no responsbilityty he is oppresing her . that is why equality between men and woman is satanic because it is toxic producing a realationship from cooperation to comepetion and one lives richly while the other suffers but both are miserable . that is why LORD GOD serperated himself from us at the garden because if he remained he would remanin in a toxic relationship and he rremoved himself for he will not be oppressed or opress so we were seprated and because LORD GOD is incorruptable he cannot remain for he cannot go againts his nature and allow himself eithet to be a opressorr or oppressed hencforth seperation and as he gave life so he shall take it away as you have rejected him so he will in turn reject you . in the garden GOD created woman for the man she is made to have relationship with him and if she defies her purpose (or role in the relationship ) it breaks the relationship and separation will occur so from nothingness she comes from nothing she and she returns to nothing that is what should have happened in the garden Adam to reject eve and she would have been destroyed and him saved as she rebelled . For she is to obey Adam as unto the LORD GOD but she rebelled against GOD and Adam and this she broke her relationship with GOD . For creations obeys ( hear and does his commands ) GOD and GOD loves ( authority and responsibility )his creation . Satan lie is a lie of equality . Lucifer doctrine at a heart of it is of equality between God and creation their natures are the same he rejected the knowledge of GOD and acted based on his emotion not truth he went against the feminine nature ( dependent ( not self sufficient ) , limited knowledge , limited power etc ) of creation which absence of positive attributes of the creator masculine nature ( life in himself (self sufficient , omniscient , omnipresence , omnipotent etc ) GOD , . when you rebel what GOD has ordained you have rejected GOD authority and neither will he responsible and separation occurs and as he was sustaining us we fall in to desoulation and die . Then once separated the angels of heaven had a choice and 2/3 were loyal to GOD but 1/3 came down to the earth then as we bear GOD image we also were given a choice .Lucifer sold the same lie to eve as brought about his own downfall his own failure . So she rebelled against Adam and GOD then instead of rejecting eve and casting her away he joined in the rebellion rebelling against GOD by staying in the toxic relationship were a man does not have authority he is oppressed but man who does bear resposnbility ( protect and provide) he is oppressing the woman so in trying to create equality you create oppressor oppressed dynamic where one is rich and other poor and that is broken relationship remained in and that is the sin of adam then when humans rejected GOD he rejected us in turn and it created seperation . To understand why we created being are oppressed and oppressors . WHY WE HUMANS ARE OPPRESSED , OPPRESSOrS AND OUR SEPERATION FROM GOD .. I had to address this issue before . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kt7xbqxiI LEAVE THE CHURCH ALONE ALL YOU PEOPLE PROBLEMS ARE SELF INFLICTED YOU ANTI GOD PIECE OF SHIT AND YOUR GREED FOR MATERIALISM INSTEAD OF PUTTING GOD FRIST before yourself and love others as yourself has Christ said was greatest commandment love for GOD and other . the whole world instead they put themselves before GOD and other YOU WANT TO EXTRACT AS PLEASURE of this life as possible with no regard for others or GOD self by burning you bridges with GOD they reject reconciliation with GOD and putting yourself at enmity with other AND THEN YOU GET OUT COMPETET by some one with teeth of iron and are being squeezed while they live rich and you made poor then and instead of blaming humanity rebellion in garden and it embracing rebellion . For the problem is not the system or resources here read this Genesis 41:33-57 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41%3A33+-+60&version=KJV Genesis 47:8-31 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+47+%3A+8+-100&version=KJV 1 Samuel 22:5-9 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+22%3A5-9&version=KJV 1 Samuel 8:4-22 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8%3A4-30&version=KJV read what JESUS said about how elites are supposed to do. Luke 22:22-29 King James Version (KJV) 22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed! 23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing. 24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; THE ELITES ARE MEANT SERVE US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND . the broken relationship between man and GOD is the problem . When we rebelled we inverted the law of GOD obedience to GOD and equality between men this became inverted were we obdient to GOD seperation occurred and he stopped sustaining us and were equality between men became inequality . We live in dyig world because it is seperated us from GOD and we are oppressing and being oppressed where their was equality now we have rich and poor . For they say theor is no GOD embrace rebellion and to extract as much pleasure of this life as possible they commit evil; then they say why is there so much evil and say there is no GOD and the embrace rebellion and commit evil then blame GOD . So they want GOD to have responsibility and no authority they make decision to rebel against GOD and blame GOD for the consequences of their chiocs . So this childish and immature mindset of saying there is no GOD the put themselves before GOD and others and to extract as much pleasure as possible they commit war violence exploitation and when another person who also claims there is no GOD and is tring to extract as much pleasure out of this life and they find themselves being squeezed or crushed THEN they CRY THE VICTIM when other who also claim there is no GOD and want ot extract and this other person has placed them in dire straits by others who are competing harder . 2000 years ago Christ the one to reconcile mankind to GOD and for fill the promise of the garden of eden . He also problem humanity is corrupt and that is cause of all of humanity problems. he showed the solution to the problem to go back as we were before the fall to love he LORD GOD with all the hearth mind soul and strength and love others as ourselves . we need to acknowledge our failure in the garden and our own personal failures and be reconciled to GOD and love GOD with all heart soul strength and mind and love others as ourselves and give up this life and what we could have now and pursue a relationship with GOD and live on to eternity with GOD in the garden of Eden.. . that is the soution because those who have faith in GOD and his promises are infinitly more valuable then immediate gain of this world but world does not bleive and wish to rage a lion and then cry victim and blame GOD when they find themsevs being squeezed . We have more resources then ever but greater wealth inequality in history , system is not the problem we have tried democracy theocracy , monarchy ,republic . Nothing solves because they are not the root cause the broken relationship between man and GOD is . So God was sustaining us we now dying where there was equality cooperation mutual interest now become oppressers oppressed realtionships .our sin in the garden and own personal failures are the problem there is something wrong with humanity . the one sent to reconcile humanityand what did people do to him they murdered him and rose the third day so humanity rejected Christ therefore GOD and does not wish for reconciliation but to rage as like it was before the flood . GOD solution is mercy to those who wish for reconciliation and those who wish to rage destroy and die . The rightouss to life and wicked to death . END OF MY PREVIOUS CONVERSATION . as I was saying the only one with true immortality is GOD and only him . creation has conditional immortality as long as its relationship with GOD they shall live on to eternity seperation means death so as long s the human heart is not risen up againts God but it humble and is in obdience in GOD we are fine but when we try to create oppressors . Lastly the bible is the divine inspired word it written by LORD GOD placing the holy sprite on them and the utter the words he wished and write what he wishs that is what makes a prohpet a prophet the holy sprite and other times he uses them to make prohecy a warrior interpret of dream or whatever GOD needs . Anyway Moses wrote the frist 5 books of the bible . the Torah he was written 400 years after abraham and he wrote about sodom and gommrah being judged by GOD here it is below they found it in israel . SODOM AND GOMMMRAH ancient ruins youtu.be/wlojzxgoLyI?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv they found these ruins in geograpaical location I they found the ruin made of white ashy composite material . it was 99 % pure sulpur white sulphur which does not natural occurs after that calcium carbonate ( lime stone ) reacts with sulfur to make calcium sulphate . they found graves with mass quanities of bones 500000 estmiateed people buried there proving they were very populated cities . in the grave they found a large vareity of nuts , seeds and vegatables as the bible said it was like the garden of the LORD before GOD's judgement .. The ruins are compared to a volcano eruption which erupted on pompeii in italy and the somdom and gommorah are very difrent every where ash fall at pompeii on people formed molded around them the ash at the ruins in israel there is not ash molded around people , we have ancient israel archlogy of frist temple period and the second .to those who doubt anceint israel exsitence here is playlist of ancietn israel aracology youtu.be/Su5Hoo9W_Vk?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH . .. i will ask you three question . why does 1948 AD Israel exists (a nation dead for 2000 years for the Jews have recovered the land and revived the ancient script and language Hebrew ) ? . secondly why is it that this nation that has been dead for 2000 years is allied with the two ( US AND EU ) greatest military and economic powers to ever exist and who are allied together dominate the world and support 1948 AD Israel ? . lastly has this ever happened before a nation dead for 2000 years allied with two greatest power ever who are allied together dominate the world and supports a nation that has been dead for nar 2000 years ? THIS IS THE GENERATION CHRIST SPOKE iT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF AS WRRITEN IN MATTEW 23 where god JUDGES ISRAEL BEFORE CHRISTs sECONd COMiNG READ SCRITPUTE 1 kings 19 13 - 14matt 27 22-27 luke 13 33- 35 acts 7 49-60 1 jeremiah 2 verse 29 30 1 Thessalonian 2 13-16 john 11 47 to 53 Matt 23 27-38 Revelation 17 1-6 rev 18 verse 20 and 24 rev 19 1-2 rev 19 11 and 21 and rev 20 read the thesis is historical time from ancient Babylon 605 BC to now correlating with Biblical prophecy of Daniel 605 BC Babylon to 476 AD the division of the western roman empire and rise of the Vatican the rev 6 frist seal 1492 to 1918 western conloanisl second seal 1918 to 1991 COMMUNISM . the rise of dived roman empire the USA AND EU who supports the great babylon israel who killed the prohpets and is the location of armgeddon which is in israel where the USA AND EU in the battle of armgeddon will fight the christ . last i want to save your soult and aslo this LORD GOD LOVES YOU this is the 95 thesis of revelation . https://archive.org/details/EXPLAINDANIELANDREVELATIONUPDATE19WithOutExtraEvidence created being humans animasl angels are created being they cannot exsits outside of relationship with GOD or they will die for woman is for the man she made to have relationship with him and if she defies her purpose she ceases to exsits from nothing she is made and she returns that is what should have happened in the garden , as I was saying the only one with true immoratality is GOD and only him creation has condictional immortality as long as its relationship with GOD they shall on to eternity . Lastly the bible is divine sprite word it written by LORD GOD placing the holy sprite on them and the y utter the words and write what he wishs that is what makes a prohpet a prophet and other times he uses them to make prohecy a warrior interpret of dream or whatever GOD needs . Anyway moses wrote the frist 5 books of the bible the torah he was 400 years after abraham and he bwrote about sodom and gommrah being judged by GOD here it is below they found it in israel .  SODOM AND GOMMMRAH ancient ruins youtu.be/wlojzxgoLyI?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv they found these ruins in geograpaical location i spoke of them in the bible they found the ruin is made of white ashy composure it said it was 99 % pure sulpur white sulphur which does not natural occurs calcium carbonate ( lime stone ) reacts with sulfur to make calcium sulphate they found graves with mass quanities of bones 500000 estmiateed people buried there proving they were very populated cities they found a large vareity of nuts , seeds and vegatables as the bible said it was like the garden of the LORD before GOD's judgement . The ruins are compared to a volcano eruption which erupted on pompeii in italy and the somdom and gommorah are very difrent every where ash fall at pompeii on people formed molded around them the ash at the ruins in israel there is not ash molded around people , we have ancient israel archlogy of frist temple period and the second .to those who doubt anceint israel exsitence here is playlist of ancietn israel aracology youtu.be/Su5Hoo9W_Vk?list=PLOj1t1YOjdmzpd8YWbeSC1E0Tb30ehNZv THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH . .. i will ask you three question . why does 1948 AD Israel exists (a nation dead for 2000 years for the Jews have recovered the land and revived the ancient script and language Hebrew ) ? . secondly why is it that this nation that has been dead for 2000 years is allied with the two ( US AND EU ) greatest military and economic powers to ever exist and who are allied together dominate the world and support 1948 AD Israel ? . lastly has this ever happened before a nation dead for 2000 years allied with two greatest power ever who are allied together dominate the world and supports a nation that has been dead for nar 2000 years ? THIS IS THE GENERATION CHRIST SPOKE iT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF AS WRRITEN IN MATTEW 23 where god JUDGES ISRAEL BEFORE CHRISTs sECONd COMiNG READ SCRITPUTE 1 kings 19 13 - 14matt 27 22-27 luke 13 33- 35 acts 7 49-60 1 jeremiah 2 verse 29 30 1 Thessalonian 2 13-16 john 11 47 to 53 Matt 23 27-38 Revelation 17 1-6 rev 18 verse 20 and 24 rev 19 1-2 rev 19 11 and 21 and rev 20 read the thesis is historical time from ancient Babylon 605 BC to now correlating with Biblical prophecy of Daniel 605 BC Babylon to 476 AD the division of the western roman empire and rise of the Vatican the rev 6 frist seal 1492 to 1918 western conloanisl second seal 1918 to 1991 COMMUNISM . the rise of dived roman empire the USA AND EU who supports the great babylon israel who killed the prohpets and is the location of armgeddon which is in israel where the USA AND EU in the battle of armgeddon will fight the christ . last i want to save your soult and aslo this LORD GOD LOVES YOU this is the 95 thesis of revelation . https://archive.org/details/EXPLAINDANIELANDREVELATIONUPDATE22WITHOUTEXTRAEVIDENCE
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    LEAVE THE CHURCH ALONE ALL YOU PEOPLE PROBLEMS ARE SELF INFLICTED YOU ANTI GOD PIECE OF SHIT AND YOUR GREED FOR MATERIALISM INSTEAD OF PUTTING GOD FRIST before yourself and love others as yourself has Christ said was greatest commandment love for GOD and other . the whole world instead they put themselves before GOD and other YOU WANT TO EXTRACT AS PLEASURE of this life as possible with no regard for others or GOD self by burning you bridges with GOD they reject reconciliation with GOD and putting yourself at enmity with other AND THEN YOU GET OUT COMPETET by some one with teeth of iron and are being squeezed while they live rich and you made poor then and instead of blaming humanity rebellion in garden and it embracing rebellion .

    For the problem is not the system or resources
    here read this
    Genesis 41:33-57 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41%3A33+-+60&version=KJV

    Genesis 47:8-31 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+47+%3A+8+-100&version=KJV

    1 Samuel 22:5-9 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+22%3A5-9&version=KJV

    1 Samuel 8:4-22 King James Version (KJV)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8%3A4-30&version=KJV

    read what JESUS said about how elites are supposed to do.

    Luke 22:22-29 King James Version (KJV)
    22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
    23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.
    24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
    25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
    26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
    27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
    28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
    29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

    THE ELITES ARE MEANT SERVE US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND .

    the broken relationship between man and GOD is the problem . When we rebelled we inverted the law of GOD obedience to GOD and equality between men this became inverted were we obdient to GOD seperation occurred and he stopped sustaining us and were equality between men became inequality . We live in dyig world because it is seperated us from GOD and we are oppressing and being oppressed where their was equality now we have rich and poor . For they say theor is no GOD embrace rebellion and to extract as much pleasure of this life as possible they commit evil; then they say why is there so much evil and say there is no GOD and the embrace rebellion and commit evil then blame GOD . So they want GOD to have responsibility and no authority they make decision to rebel against GOD and blame GOD for the consequences of their chiocs . So this childish and immature mindset of saying there is no GOD the put themselves before GOD and others and to extract as much pleasure as possible they commit war violence exploitation and when another person who also claims there is no GOD and is tring to extract as much pleasure out of this life and they find themselves being squeezed or crushed

    THEN they CRY THE VICTIM when other who also claim there is no GOD and want ot extract and this other person has placed them in dire straiths by others who are competing harder .

    2000 years ago Christ the one to reconcile mankind to GOD and forfill the promise of the garden of eden . He also problem humanity is corrupt and that is cause of all of humanity problems. he showed the solution to the problem to go back as we were before the fall to love he LORD GOD with all the hearth mind soul and strength and love others as ourselves . we need to acknowledge our failure in the garden and our own personal failures and be reconciled to GOD and love GOD with all heart soul strength and mind and love others as ourselves and give up this life and what we could have now and pursue a relationship with GOD and live on to eternity with GOD in the garden of Eden..

    that is the soution because those who have faith in GOD and his promises are infinitly more valuable then immediate gain of this world but world does not bleive and wish to rage a lion and then cry victim and blame GOD when they find themsevs being squeezed .

    We have more resources then ever but greater wealth inequality in history , system is not the problem we have tried democracy theocracy , monarchy ,republic . Nothing solves because they are not the root cause the broken realtionship between man and GOD is . So God was sustaining us we now dying where there was equality coperation multual interest now become oppressers oppressed realtionships .our sin in the garden and own personal failures are the problem there is something wrong with humanity


    lastly they said they are all cathedrals so they are saying they are all inherently valuable as they bear GOD image and GOD given rights . there is obdience to GOD and love others as yourself and there is equality with GOD (rebellion againts ) and inequality between men .

    so if you want to equality between ,men you must have obedience to GOD to have that you must recognizes the failure of the fall and you personal sins and trade what you could have your life for the kingdom of GOD . That is the soultion for you cannot have obdience to GOD and with loving others as yourself mutal vs self interest . a good world vs a evil world . Obdience leadst to life rebellion leadst to death but if you want wealth inequality and solve all of humanity problems recognizes you sin and the failure of humanity . And go back to the garden .

    Lastly

    yo secuar is atheist are garbage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go tax ourself you self inflciting harm pieces of shit then you scumbags blame GOD then espouse atheist is soution then cry victim when you suffer the consequences then blame GOd for you choices . take responsbility and obey GOD and be reconciled GOD to eternity . @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom

    @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom
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    adaweawe

    HOOORAY give that big bag of money to the church of notre dame the rest of society can go starve .

    https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/966740155627339776
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kt7xbqxiI LEAVE THE CHURCH ALONE ALL YOU PEOPLE PROBLEMS ARE SELF INFLICTED YOU ANTI GOD PIECE OF SHIT AND YOUR GREED FOR MATERIALISM INSTEAD OF PUTTING GOD FRIST before yourself and love others as yourself has Christ said was greatest commandment love for GOD and other . the whole world instead they put themselves before GOD and other YOU WANT TO EXTRACT AS PLEASURE of this life as possible with no regard for others or GOD self by burning you bridges with GOD they reject reconciliation with GOD and putting yourself at enmity with other AND THEN YOU GET OUT COMPETET by some one with teeth of iron and are being squeezed while they live rich and you made poor then and instead of blaming humanity rebellion in garden and it embracing rebellion . For the problem is not the system or resources here read this Genesis 41:33-57 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41%3A33+-+60&version=KJV Genesis 47:8-31 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+47+%3A+8+-100&version=KJV 1 Samuel 22:5-9 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+22%3A5-9&version=KJV 1 Samuel 8:4-22 King James Version (KJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8%3A4-30&version=KJV read what JESUS said about how elites are supposed to do. Luke 22:22-29 King James Version (KJV) 22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed! 23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing. 24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; THE ELITES ARE MEANT SERVE US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND . the broken relationship between man and GOD is the problem . When we rebelled we inverted the law of GOD obedience to GOD and equality between men this became inverted were we obdient to GOD seperation occurred and he stopped sustaining us and were equality between men became inequality . We live in dyig world because it is seperated us from GOD and we are oppressing and being oppressed where their was equality now we have rich and poor . For they say theor is no GOD embrace rebellion and to extract as much pleasure of this life as possible they commit evil; then they say why is there so much evil and say there is no GOD and the embrace rebellion and commit evil then blame GOD . So they want GOD to have responsibility and no authority they make decision to rebel against GOD and blame GOD for the consequences of their chiocs . So this childish and immature mindset of saying there is no GOD the put themselves before GOD and others and to extract as much pleasure as possible they commit war violence exploitation and when another person who also claims there is no GOD and is tring to extract as much pleasure out of this life and they find themselves being squeezed or crushed THEN they CRY THE VICTIM when other who also claim there is no GOD and want ot extract and this other person has placed them in dire straiths by others who are competing harder . 2000 years ago Christ the one to reconcile mankind to GOD and forfill the promise of the garden of eden . He also problem humanity is corrupt and that is cause of all of humanity problems. he showed the solution to the problem to go back as we were before the fall to love he LORD GOD with all the hearth mind soul and strength and love others as ourselves . we need to acknowledge our failure in the garden and our own personal failures and be reconciled to GOD and love GOD with all heart soul strength and mind and love others as ourselves and give up this life and what we could have now and pursue a relationship with GOD and live on to eternity with GOD in the garden of Eden.. that is the soution because those who have faith in GOD and his promises are infinitly more valuable then immediate gain of this world but world does not bleive and wish to rage a lion and then cry victim and blame GOD when they find themsevs being squeezed . We have more resources then ever but greater wealth inequality in history , system is not the problem we have tried democracy theocracy , monarchy ,republic . Nothing solves because they are not the root cause the broken realtionship between man and GOD is . So God was sustaining us we now dying where there was equality coperation multual interest now become oppressers oppressed realtionships .our sin in the garden and own personal failures are the problem there is something wrong with humanity lastly they said they are all cathedrals so they are saying they are all inherently valuable as they bear GOD image and GOD given rights . there is obdience to GOD and love others as yourself and there is equality with GOD (rebellion againts ) and inequality between men . so if you want to equality between ,men you must have obedience to GOD to have that you must recognizes the failure of the fall and you personal sins and trade what you could have your life for the kingdom of GOD . That is the soultion for you cannot have obdience to GOD and with loving others as yourself mutal vs self interest . a good world vs a evil world . Obdience leadst to life rebellion leadst to death but if you want wealth inequality and solve all of humanity problems recognizes you sin and the failure of humanity . And go back to the garden . Lastly yo secuar is atheist are garbage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go tax ourself you self inflciting harm pieces of shit then you scumbags blame GOD then espouse atheist is soution then cry victim when you suffer the consequences then blame GOd for you choices . take responsbility and obey GOD and be reconciled GOD to eternity . @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom @anonofficialdotcom thumb_up3thumb_down1replyReply 23h agoedited adaweawe HOOORAY give that big bag of money to the church of notre dame the rest of society can go starve . https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/966740155627339776
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  • My take on Isaiah 53

    According to Jewish tradition, Isaiah was writing about the People of Israel personified as The Suffering Servant of the Lord. There are no less than 8 quotations that show this to be the case. Please note that in the following four quotations, all from the Book of Isaiah, it is the People of Israel who are called the Servant of God:

    Notice that the servant is, Jacob, who was named Israel and regarded as a Patriarch of the Israelites.

    Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 41:8 But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me,

    Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 44: 21 Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me.

    Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 45:4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

    Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 49: 3 And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast."

    Isaiah 43:10 is a very interesting verse.

    Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 43: 10 "You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be.

    The above verse tells us that the Jewish People are plural when G-d uses the term 'witnesses,' but the People of Israel are also referred to in this same verse in the singular in the word, 'servant,' the very same word that we find in Isaiah 53.

    Early in the Book of Isaiah, God predicts the long and difficult exile of the Jewish people. Chapter 53 occurs in the midst of Isaiah's "Messages of Consolation," which tell of the restoration of Israel to prominence as God's chosen people.

    The key to understanding this chapter lies in correctly identifying who is speaking. Though the book was written by Isaiah, verses 53:1-10 are told from the perspective of world leaders. Following in the footsteps of the previous chapter (Isaiah 52:15 – “the kings will shut their mouths in amazement”), these verses describe how world leaders will be shocked with disbelief when God’s Servant Israel – despite all contrary expectations – is vindicated and blossoms in the Messianic age.

    Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 53

    1 Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed?

    Rashi’s commentary

    Who would have believed our report: So will the nations say to one another, Were we to hear from others what we see, it would be unbelievable.

    the arm of the Lord: like this, with greatness and glory, to whom was it revealed until now?

    In this opening verse, world leaders are shocked at the incredible news of Israel’s salvation: “Who would believe what we have heard!”

    This verse refers to “the arm of God.” Throughout the Tanakh, God's "arm" (זרוע) always denotes a redemption of the Jewish people from physical persecution. For example, God took the Jews out of Egypt “with a strong hand and an outstretched arm” (Deut. 26:8). (See also Exodus 3:20, 6:6, 14:31, 15:6; Deut. 4:34, 7:19; Isaiah 51:9, 52:10, 62:8, 63:12; Jeremiah 21:5, 27:5; Ezekiel 20:33; Psalms 44:3, 89:11, 98:1, 136:12).

    2 And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him?

    Rashi’s commentary

    And he came up like a sapling before it: This people, before this greatness came to it, was a very humble people, and it came up by itself like a sapling of the saplings of the trees.

    and like a root: he came up from dry land.

    neither form: had he in the beginning, nor comeliness.

    and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him?: And when we saw him from the beginning without an appearance, how could we desire him?

    Now shall we desire him?: This is a question.

    This imagery of a tree struggling to grow in dry earth is a metaphor for the Jewish struggle in exile. A young sapling in dry ground appears that it will die. The Jews were always a small nation, at times as small as 2 million people, threatened with extinction. In this verse Isaiah describes Israel’s miraculous return from exile, like a sapling that sprouts from this dry ground. This idea appears throughout the Jewish Bible (see Isaiah 60:21, Ezekiel 19:13, Hosea 14:6-7, Amos 9:15).

    3 Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account.

    Rashi’s commentary

    Despised and rejected by men: was he. So is the custom of this prophet: he mentions all Israel as one man, e.g., (44:2), “Fear not, My servant Jacob” ; (44:1) “And now, hearken, Jacob, My servant.” Here too (52:13), “Behold My servant shall prosper,” he said concerning the house of Jacob. יַשְׂכִּיל is an expression of prosperity. Comp. (I Sam. 18:14) “And David was successful (מַשְׂכִּיל) in all his ways.”

    and as one who hides his face from us: Because of their intense shame and humility, they were as one who hides his face from us, with their faces bound up in concealment, in order that we not see them, like a plagued man who hides his face and is afraid to look.

    This verse describes the Servant as universally despised and rejected. This has been a historical theme for the Jewish people, as a long list of oppressors have treated the Jews as sub-human (the Nazis) or as a pariah state (the United Nations). See similar imagery in Isaiah 49:7, 60:15; Psalms 44:14; Nechemia 3:36.

    While this description clearly applies to Israel, it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account which describes Jesus as immensely popular (Matthew 4:25). “Large crowds” of people came from far and wide to hear him speak, and Jesus had to sail into the water to avoid being overrun by the crowds (Mark 3:7-9). Luke 2:52 describes him as physically strong and well respected, a man whose popularity spread and was "praised by all" (Luke 4:14-15). A far cry from Isaiah’s description of “despised and rejected.”

    Although Jesus died a criminal's death, Isaiah is describing someone for whom rejection has spanned the ages – obviously referring to a nation, not an individual who suffered rejection for only a few hours.

    4 Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed.

    Rashi’s commentary

    Indeed, he bore our illnesses: Heb. אָכֵן, an expression of ‘but’ in all places. But now we see that this came to him not because of his low state, but that he was chastised with pains so that all the nations be atoned for with Israel’s suffering. The illness that should rightfully have come upon us, he bore.

    yet we accounted him: We thought that he was hated by the Omnipresent, but he was not so, but he was pained because of our transgressions and crushed because of our iniquities.

    Throughout the centuries of Israel’s exile, many nations persecuted the Jews on the pretense that it was God’s way of “punishing” the “accursed” Jews for having stubbornly rejected the new religions. In these verses, until the end of the chapter, the nations confess how they used the Jewish people as scapegoats, not for the “noble” reasons they had long claimed.

    Indeed, the nations selfishly persecuted the Jews as a distraction from their own corrupt regimes: “Surely our suffering he did bear, and our pains he carried...” (53:4)

    5 But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed.

    Rashi’s commentary

    the chastisement of our welfare was upon him: The chastisement due to the welfare that we enjoyed, came upon him, for he was chastised so that there be peace for the entire world.

    Isaiah 53:5 is a classic example of mistranslation: The verse does not say, “He was wounded for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities,” which could convey the vicarious suffering ascribed to Jesus. Rather, the proper translation is: “But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities;” This conveys that the Servant suffered as a result of the sinfulness of others – not the opposite as Christians contend – that the Servant suffered to atone for the sins of others.

    Indeed, the Christian idea directly contradicts the basic Jewish teaching that God promises forgiveness to all who sincerely return to Him; thus there is no need for the Messiah to atone for others (Isaiah 55:6-7, Jeremiah 36:3, Ezekiel chapters 18 and 33, Hoseah 14:1-3, Jonah 3:6-10, Proverbs 16:6, Daniel 4:27, 2-Chronicles 7:14).

    My favorite verses for G-d’s mercy comes from Ezekiel chapters 18;

    Yechezkel - Ezekiel - Chapter 18

    20 The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

    21 And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

    22 All his transgressions that he has committed shall not be remembered regarding him: through his righteousness that he has done he shall live.

    23 Do I desire the death of the wicked? says the Lord God. Is it not rather in his repenting of his ways that he may live?

    24 And when the righteous repents of his righteousness and does wrong and does like all the abominations that the wicked man did, shall he live? All his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered; in his treachery that he has perpetrated and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.

    6 We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us.

    Rashi’s commentary

    We all went astray like sheep: Now it is revealed that all the heathens (nations [mss.]) had erred.

    accepted his prayers: He accepted his prayers and was appeased concerning the iniquity of all of us, that He did not destroy His world.

    accepted… prayers: Heb. הִפְגִּיעַ, espriad in O.F., an expression of supplication.

    The nations realize that their lack of proper leadership (“shepherd”) caused them to treat the Jews with disdain. They further acknowledge how punishments that should have befallen the nations were averted through Israel’s suffering.

    7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth.

    Rashi’s commentary

    He was oppressed, and he was afflicted: Behold he was oppressed by taskmasters and people who exert pressure.

    and he was afflicted: with verbal taunts, sorparlec in O.F.

    yet he would not open his mouth: He would suffer and remain silent like the lamb that is brought to the slaughter, and like the ewe that is mute before her shearers.

    and he would not open his mouth: This refers to the lamb brought to the slaughter.

    In various contexts, the Bible uses the imagery of “sheep led to the slaughter” specifically in reference to the Jewish people. For example: "You give us as sheep to be eaten and have scattered us among the nations... we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered" (Psalms 44:12, 23).

    This verse prophesizes the many hardships – both physical torment and economic exploitation – that the Jews endured in exile. Ironically, this prophecy refers in part to the 11th century Crusaders who "persecuted and afflicted” the Jews in the name of Jesus. In our time, while Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe were "led to the slaughter," they still remained like a "lamb that is silent before her shearers" – without complaints against God.

    8 From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them.

    Rashi’s commentary

    From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken: The prophet reports and says that the heathens (nations [mss., K’li Paz]) will say this at the end of days, when they see that he was taken from the imprisonment that he was imprisoned in their hands and from the judgment of torments that he suffered until now.

    and his generation: The years that passed over him.

    who shall tell?: The tribulations that befell him, for from the beginning, he was cut off and exiled from the land of the living that is the land of Israel for because of the transgression of my people, this plague came to the righteous among them.

    The phrase, "land of the living” (Eretz HaChaim) refers specifically to the Land of Israel. Thus this verse, “He was removed from the land of the living,” does not mean that the servant was killed, but rather was exiled from the Land of Israel.

    This verse again describes the world’s surprise at witnessing the Jewish return to the Promised Land. "Who could have imagined” that the nation we tortured now prospers? World leaders offer a stunning confession: “Because of my people’s sin, they [the Jews] were afflicted.”

    Here the text makes absolutely clear that the oppressed Servant is a collective nation, not a single individual. This is where knowledge of biblical Hebrew is absolutely crucial. At the end of the verse, the Hebrew word for “they were” (lamoh – לָמוֹ) always refers to a group, never to an individual. (see for example, Psalms 99:7)

    9 And he gave his grave to the wicked, and to the wealthy with his kinds of death, because he committed no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.

    Rashi’s commentary

    And he gave his grave to the wicked: He subjected himself to be buried according to anything the wicked of the heathens (nations [mss., K’li Paz]) would decree upon him, for they would penalize him with death and the burial of donkeys in the intestines of the dogs.

    to the wicked: According to the will of the wicked, he was willing to be buried, and he would not deny the living God.

    and to the wealthy with his kinds of death: and to the will of the ruler he subjected himself to all kinds of death that he decreed upon him, because he did not wish to agree to (denial) [of the Torah] to commit evil and to rob like all the heathens (nations [mss., K’li Paz]) among whom he lived.

    and there was no deceit in his mouth: to accept idolatry (to accept a pagan deity as God [Parshandatha]).

    Throughout history, Jews were given the choice to “convert or die.” Yet as this verse describes, there was “no deceit in his mouth” – the loyal Jews refused to accept a pagan deity as their God. Rather than profane God’s Holy Name, they “submitted to the grave” – i.e. chose to die rather than renounce their faith. As such these Jews were often denied proper burial, discarded “to the grave as evil people.”

    Further, wealthy Jews "submitted to his executions, for committing no crime" – killed so that wicked conquerors could confiscate their riches.

    10 And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand.

    Rashi’s commentary

    And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill: The Holy One, blessed be He, wished to crush him and to cause him to repent; therefore, he made him ill.

    If his soul makes itself restitution, etc.: Said the Holy One, blessed be He, “I will see, if his soul will be given and delivered with My holiness to return it to Me as restitution for all that he betrayed Me, I will pay him his recompense, and he will see children, etc.” This word אָשָׁם is an expression of ransom that one gives to the one against when he sinned, amende in O.F., to free from faults, similar to the matter mentioned in the episode of the Philistines (I Sam. 6:3), “Do not send it away empty, but you shall send back with it a guilt offering (אָשָׁם).”

    "God desired to oppress” the Jewish people, in order to inspire them to return to Torah observance. If the Jews would only "acknowledge guilt," they would see their "offspring and live long days." This refers to the Messianic era when all Jews will return to Torah observance.

    This verse emphasizes that the Servant is to be rewarded with long life and many children.

    In this verse, the Hebrew word for "offspring" (zera - זֶרַע) always refers to physical descendants (see Genesis 12:7, 15:2-4, 15:13, 46:6; Exodus 28:43). A different word, banim (בנים), generally translated as "sons," is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1).

    11 From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear.

    Rashi’s commentary

    From the toil of his soul: he would eat and be satisfied, and he would not rob and plunder.

    with his knowledge… would vindicate the just: My servant would judge justly all those who came to litigate before him.

    and their iniquities he would bear: He would bear, in the manner of all the righteous, as it is said (Num. 18:1): “You and your sons shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary.

    One’s sins being forgiven through the suffering of another person goes against the basic biblical teaching that each individual has to atone for his own sins by repenting. (Exodus 32:32-33, Deut. 24:16, Ezekiel 18:1-4)

    This verse describes how God’s Servant “will cause the masses to be righteous” – not as some mistranslate, “he will justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations," leading the world to righteousness through knowledge of the one true God. The Jews will accomplish this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zechariah 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isaiah 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). As it says: “The world will become full of the knowledge of God, as water covers the sea” (Isaiah 11:9).

    12 Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.

    Rashi’s commentary

    Therefore: Because he did this, I will allot him an inheritance and a lot in public with the Patriarchs.

    he poured out his soul to death: Heb. הֶעֱרָה. An expression like (Gen. 24: 20), “And she emptied (וַתְּעַר) her pitcher.”

    and with transgressors he was counted: He suffered torments as if he had sinned and transgressed, and this is because of others; he bore the sin of the many.

    and interceded for the transgressors: through his sufferings, for good came to the world through him.

    This verse speaks of how the Jews always pray for the welfare of the nations they are exiled into (see Jeremiah 29:7). The verse continues to explain that the Jewish people, who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God, will be rewarded.

    Regarding the above passage, some have claimed that the "suffering servant" cannot be Israel, since Israel has sins. Yet this is a fallacy, since we know that no human being – not even Moses – is completely free of sin. Yet Moses was considered “righteous,” which takes into account not only one's good deeds, but also one's repentance after sin.

    Melachim I - I Kings - Chapter 8

    46 If they sin against You, for (there is) no man who does not sin, and You will be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near.

    47 And they shall bethink themselves in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying, 'We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness.'

    48 And they shall return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land, which You gave to their fathers, the city that You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your Name.

    49 And you shall hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven, Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause.

    50 And forgive Your people what they have sinned against You, and all their transgressions that they have transgressed against You, and give mercy before their captors, that they may have mercy on them.

    Immediately following this promise of reward for the Jews’ suffering (53:10-12), chapter 54 clearly speaks of the redemption which awaits the Jewish people.
    My take on Isaiah 53 According to Jewish tradition, Isaiah was writing about the People of Israel personified as The Suffering Servant of the Lord. There are no less than 8 quotations that show this to be the case. Please note that in the following four quotations, all from the Book of Isaiah, it is the People of Israel who are called the Servant of God: Notice that the servant is, Jacob, who was named Israel and regarded as a Patriarch of the Israelites. Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 41:8 But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 44: 21 Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me. Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 45:4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me. Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 49: 3 And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast." Isaiah 43:10 is a very interesting verse. Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 43: 10 "You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be. The above verse tells us that the Jewish People are plural when G-d uses the term 'witnesses,' but the People of Israel are also referred to in this same verse in the singular in the word, 'servant,' the very same word that we find in Isaiah 53. Early in the Book of Isaiah, God predicts the long and difficult exile of the Jewish people. Chapter 53 occurs in the midst of Isaiah's "Messages of Consolation," which tell of the restoration of Israel to prominence as God's chosen people. The key to understanding this chapter lies in correctly identifying who is speaking. Though the book was written by Isaiah, verses 53:1-10 are told from the perspective of world leaders. Following in the footsteps of the previous chapter (Isaiah 52:15 – “the kings will shut their mouths in amazement”), these verses describe how world leaders will be shocked with disbelief when God’s Servant Israel – despite all contrary expectations – is vindicated and blossoms in the Messianic age. Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 53 1 Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed? Rashi’s commentary Who would have believed our report: So will the nations say to one another, Were we to hear from others what we see, it would be unbelievable. the arm of the Lord: like this, with greatness and glory, to whom was it revealed until now? In this opening verse, world leaders are shocked at the incredible news of Israel’s salvation: “Who would believe what we have heard!” This verse refers to “the arm of God.” Throughout the Tanakh, God's "arm" (זרוע) always denotes a redemption of the Jewish people from physical persecution. For example, God took the Jews out of Egypt “with a strong hand and an outstretched arm” (Deut. 26:8). (See also Exodus 3:20, 6:6, 14:31, 15:6; Deut. 4:34, 7:19; Isaiah 51:9, 52:10, 62:8, 63:12; Jeremiah 21:5, 27:5; Ezekiel 20:33; Psalms 44:3, 89:11, 98:1, 136:12). 2 And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him? Rashi’s commentary And he came up like a sapling before it: This people, before this greatness came to it, was a very humble people, and it came up by itself like a sapling of the saplings of the trees. and like a root: he came up from dry land. neither form: had he in the beginning, nor comeliness. and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him?: And when we saw him from the beginning without an appearance, how could we desire him? Now shall we desire him?: This is a question. This imagery of a tree struggling to grow in dry earth is a metaphor for the Jewish struggle in exile. A young sapling in dry ground appears that it will die. The Jews were always a small nation, at times as small as 2 million people, threatened with extinction. In this verse Isaiah describes Israel’s miraculous return from exile, like a sapling that sprouts from this dry ground. This idea appears throughout the Jewish Bible (see Isaiah 60:21, Ezekiel 19:13, Hosea 14:6-7, Amos 9:15). 3 Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account. Rashi’s commentary Despised and rejected by men: was he. So is the custom of this prophet: he mentions all Israel as one man, e.g., (44:2), “Fear not, My servant Jacob” ; (44:1) “And now, hearken, Jacob, My servant.” Here too (52:13), “Behold My servant shall prosper,” he said concerning the house of Jacob. יַשְׂכִּיל is an expression of prosperity. Comp. (I Sam. 18:14) “And David was successful (מַשְׂכִּיל) in all his ways.” and as one who hides his face from us: Because of their intense shame and humility, they were as one who hides his face from us, with their faces bound up in concealment, in order that we not see them, like a plagued man who hides his face and is afraid to look. This verse describes the Servant as universally despised and rejected. This has been a historical theme for the Jewish people, as a long list of oppressors have treated the Jews as sub-human (the Nazis) or as a pariah state (the United Nations). See similar imagery in Isaiah 49:7, 60:15; Psalms 44:14; Nechemia 3:36. While this description clearly applies to Israel, it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account which describes Jesus as immensely popular (Matthew 4:25). “Large crowds” of people came from far and wide to hear him speak, and Jesus had to sail into the water to avoid being overrun by the crowds (Mark 3:7-9). Luke 2:52 describes him as physically strong and well respected, a man whose popularity spread and was "praised by all" (Luke 4:14-15). A far cry from Isaiah’s description of “despised and rejected.” Although Jesus died a criminal's death, Isaiah is describing someone for whom rejection has spanned the ages – obviously referring to a nation, not an individual who suffered rejection for only a few hours. 4 Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed. Rashi’s commentary Indeed, he bore our illnesses: Heb. אָכֵן, an expression of ‘but’ in all places. But now we see that this came to him not because of his low state, but that he was chastised with pains so that all the nations be atoned for with Israel’s suffering. The illness that should rightfully have come upon us, he bore. yet we accounted him: We thought that he was hated by the Omnipresent, but he was not so, but he was pained because of our transgressions and crushed because of our iniquities. Throughout the centuries of Israel’s exile, many nations persecuted the Jews on the pretense that it was God’s way of “punishing” the “accursed” Jews for having stubbornly rejected the new religions. In these verses, until the end of the chapter, the nations confess how they used the Jewish people as scapegoats, not for the “noble” reasons they had long claimed. Indeed, the nations selfishly persecuted the Jews as a distraction from their own corrupt regimes: “Surely our suffering he did bear, and our pains he carried...” (53:4) 5 But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed. Rashi’s commentary the chastisement of our welfare was upon him: The chastisement due to the welfare that we enjoyed, came upon him, for he was chastised so that there be peace for the entire world. Isaiah 53:5 is a classic example of mistranslation: The verse does not say, “He was wounded for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities,” which could convey the vicarious suffering ascribed to Jesus. Rather, the proper translation is: “But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities;” This conveys that the Servant suffered as a result of the sinfulness of others – not the opposite as Christians contend – that the Servant suffered to atone for the sins of others. Indeed, the Christian idea directly contradicts the basic Jewish teaching that God promises forgiveness to all who sincerely return to Him; thus there is no need for the Messiah to atone for others (Isaiah 55:6-7, Jeremiah 36:3, Ezekiel chapters 18 and 33, Hoseah 14:1-3, Jonah 3:6-10, Proverbs 16:6, Daniel 4:27, 2-Chronicles 7:14). My favorite verses for G-d’s mercy comes from Ezekiel chapters 18; Yechezkel - Ezekiel - Chapter 18 20 The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. 21 And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he has committed shall not be remembered regarding him: through his righteousness that he has done he shall live. 23 Do I desire the death of the wicked? says the Lord God. Is it not rather in his repenting of his ways that he may live? 24 And when the righteous repents of his righteousness and does wrong and does like all the abominations that the wicked man did, shall he live? All his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered; in his treachery that he has perpetrated and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die. 6 We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. Rashi’s commentary We all went astray like sheep: Now it is revealed that all the heathens (nations [mss.]) had erred. accepted his prayers: He accepted his prayers and was appeased concerning the iniquity of all of us, that He did not destroy His world. accepted… prayers: Heb. הִפְגִּיעַ, espriad in O.F., an expression of supplication. The nations realize that their lack of proper leadership (“shepherd”) caused them to treat the Jews with disdain. They further acknowledge how punishments that should have befallen the nations were averted through Israel’s suffering. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth. Rashi’s commentary He was oppressed, and he was afflicted: Behold he was oppressed by taskmasters and people who exert pressure. and he was afflicted: with verbal taunts, sorparlec in O.F. yet he would not open his mouth: He would suffer and remain silent like the lamb that is brought to the slaughter, and like the ewe that is mute before her shearers. and he would not open his mouth: This refers to the lamb brought to the slaughter. In various contexts, the Bible uses the imagery of “sheep led to the slaughter” specifically in reference to the Jewish people. For example: "You give us as sheep to be eaten and have scattered us among the nations... we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered" (Psalms 44:12, 23). This verse prophesizes the many hardships – both physical torment and economic exploitation – that the Jews endured in exile. Ironically, this prophecy refers in part to the 11th century Crusaders who "persecuted and afflicted” the Jews in the name of Jesus. In our time, while Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe were "led to the slaughter," they still remained like a "lamb that is silent before her shearers" – without complaints against God. 8 From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them. Rashi’s commentary From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken: The prophet reports and says that the heathens (nations [mss., K’li Paz]) will say this at the end of days, when they see that he was taken from the imprisonment that he was imprisoned in their hands and from the judgment of torments that he suffered until now. and his generation: The years that passed over him. who shall tell?: The tribulations that befell him, for from the beginning, he was cut off and exiled from the land of the living that is the land of Israel for because of the transgression of my people, this plague came to the righteous among them. The phrase, "land of the living” (Eretz HaChaim) refers specifically to the Land of Israel. Thus this verse, “He was removed from the land of the living,” does not mean that the servant was killed, but rather was exiled from the Land of Israel. This verse again describes the world’s surprise at witnessing the Jewish return to the Promised Land. "Who could have imagined” that the nation we tortured now prospers? World leaders offer a stunning confession: “Because of my people’s sin, they [the Jews] were afflicted.” Here the text makes absolutely clear that the oppressed Servant is a collective nation, not a single individual. This is where knowledge of biblical Hebrew is absolutely crucial. At the end of the verse, the Hebrew word for “they were” (lamoh – לָמוֹ) always refers to a group, never to an individual. (see for example, Psalms 99:7) 9 And he gave his grave to the wicked, and to the wealthy with his kinds of death, because he committed no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. Rashi’s commentary And he gave his grave to the wicked: He subjected himself to be buried according to anything the wicked of the heathens (nations [mss., K’li Paz]) would decree upon him, for they would penalize him with death and the burial of donkeys in the intestines of the dogs. to the wicked: According to the will of the wicked, he was willing to be buried, and he would not deny the living God. and to the wealthy with his kinds of death: and to the will of the ruler he subjected himself to all kinds of death that he decreed upon him, because he did not wish to agree to (denial) [of the Torah] to commit evil and to rob like all the heathens (nations [mss., K’li Paz]) among whom he lived. and there was no deceit in his mouth: to accept idolatry (to accept a pagan deity as God [Parshandatha]). Throughout history, Jews were given the choice to “convert or die.” Yet as this verse describes, there was “no deceit in his mouth” – the loyal Jews refused to accept a pagan deity as their God. Rather than profane God’s Holy Name, they “submitted to the grave” – i.e. chose to die rather than renounce their faith. As such these Jews were often denied proper burial, discarded “to the grave as evil people.” Further, wealthy Jews "submitted to his executions, for committing no crime" – killed so that wicked conquerors could confiscate their riches. 10 And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand. Rashi’s commentary And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill: The Holy One, blessed be He, wished to crush him and to cause him to repent; therefore, he made him ill. If his soul makes itself restitution, etc.: Said the Holy One, blessed be He, “I will see, if his soul will be given and delivered with My holiness to return it to Me as restitution for all that he betrayed Me, I will pay him his recompense, and he will see children, etc.” This word אָשָׁם is an expression of ransom that one gives to the one against when he sinned, amende in O.F., to free from faults, similar to the matter mentioned in the episode of the Philistines (I Sam. 6:3), “Do not send it away empty, but you shall send back with it a guilt offering (אָשָׁם).” "God desired to oppress” the Jewish people, in order to inspire them to return to Torah observance. If the Jews would only "acknowledge guilt," they would see their "offspring and live long days." This refers to the Messianic era when all Jews will return to Torah observance. This verse emphasizes that the Servant is to be rewarded with long life and many children. In this verse, the Hebrew word for "offspring" (zera - זֶרַע) always refers to physical descendants (see Genesis 12:7, 15:2-4, 15:13, 46:6; Exodus 28:43). A different word, banim (בנים), generally translated as "sons," is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1). 11 From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear. Rashi’s commentary From the toil of his soul: he would eat and be satisfied, and he would not rob and plunder. with his knowledge… would vindicate the just: My servant would judge justly all those who came to litigate before him. and their iniquities he would bear: He would bear, in the manner of all the righteous, as it is said (Num. 18:1): “You and your sons shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary. One’s sins being forgiven through the suffering of another person goes against the basic biblical teaching that each individual has to atone for his own sins by repenting. (Exodus 32:32-33, Deut. 24:16, Ezekiel 18:1-4) This verse describes how God’s Servant “will cause the masses to be righteous” – not as some mistranslate, “he will justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations," leading the world to righteousness through knowledge of the one true God. The Jews will accomplish this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zechariah 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isaiah 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). As it says: “The world will become full of the knowledge of God, as water covers the sea” (Isaiah 11:9). 12 Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors. Rashi’s commentary Therefore: Because he did this, I will allot him an inheritance and a lot in public with the Patriarchs. he poured out his soul to death: Heb. הֶעֱרָה. An expression like (Gen. 24: 20), “And she emptied (וַתְּעַר) her pitcher.” and with transgressors he was counted: He suffered torments as if he had sinned and transgressed, and this is because of others; he bore the sin of the many. and interceded for the transgressors: through his sufferings, for good came to the world through him. This verse speaks of how the Jews always pray for the welfare of the nations they are exiled into (see Jeremiah 29:7). The verse continues to explain that the Jewish people, who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God, will be rewarded. Regarding the above passage, some have claimed that the "suffering servant" cannot be Israel, since Israel has sins. Yet this is a fallacy, since we know that no human being – not even Moses – is completely free of sin. Yet Moses was considered “righteous,” which takes into account not only one's good deeds, but also one's repentance after sin. Melachim I - I Kings - Chapter 8 46 If they sin against You, for (there is) no man who does not sin, and You will be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near. 47 And they shall bethink themselves in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying, 'We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness.' 48 And they shall return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land, which You gave to their fathers, the city that You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your Name. 49 And you shall hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven, Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause. 50 And forgive Your people what they have sinned against You, and all their transgressions that they have transgressed against You, and give mercy before their captors, that they may have mercy on them. Immediately following this promise of reward for the Jews’ suffering (53:10-12), chapter 54 clearly speaks of the redemption which awaits the Jewish people.
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